97: Mental Health Talks, A Special EdUp EdTech LIVE with NBA's Kenny Thomas & Neolth's CEO Katherine Grill

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OK, we are live.
Welcome everybody to add up Ed

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tech talks.
My name is Holly Owens.

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And my name is Nadia Johnson.
And we're your hosts and we are

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super punk tonight here out on
the East Coast, but our guests

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are out on the West Coast.
We have Catherine Grill, who is

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a CEO of Neos and we have Kenny
Thomas, who does tons of

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different things besides being a
former NBA player.

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They are here tonight to talk to
us about in this afternoon about

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mental health.
This is a very important topic.

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Welcome on into the show,
Catherine and Kenny.

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Thank you for being here.
Ladies first.

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Oh.
Thanks.

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Come on, Captain you.
Know this already?

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Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited to be back for

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the third time on your podcast.
Yeah, we're like old friends

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though.
That's awesome.

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Thank you ladies for having me.
I'm looking forward to chopping

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it up with you today.
Yes, 100%.

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So we definitely want to know.
I could sit here and give great

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introductions about both of you.
Both have tremendous BIOS.

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But I want you to tell the
audience about you.

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So tell us about yourself, your
journey into where you are now.

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Give us all the details.
I know Kenny's going to say

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ladies first, so I'll go.
I'll just speak with.

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I'll be quick as I've already
been on here and I'm so excited

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for Kenny to share his story.
But you're.

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Going to help me be able to
think of some stuff bad.

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Gosh, you know, Long story
short, I was somebody who always

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grew up.
I grew up a little bit outside

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of Manhattan in New York in a
low income family.

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There was really serious mental
illness and the inability to

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access proper healthcare.
So that was something that got

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me interested in mental health
and trying to figure out how

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could we make the system better.
So I went to school.

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I became a therapist.
I worked in patient care for a

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little bit, but pretty quickly
found that the good care was

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given to the people who could
afford it.

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And that just didn't sit right
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So I wanted to figure out, you
know, how do we get over some of

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these huge care inequities that
we have in the mental health

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system?
I went back to school.

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I did my doctor in neuroscience
and I wanted to learn how to

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build and validate.
New evidence based, you know,

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health interventions that just
made things more accessible for

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people.
So Long story short, I got into

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adolescent health, I was doing
NIH research these big clinical

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trials and my kids kept asking
for digital because that's where

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they were.
And about six years ago I moved

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out to California.
That's where I am now.

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I'm in LA and wanted to see what
we could do with technology to

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make healthcare more accessible
and we ended up building new

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great story.
And you're so right about that

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access to mental health and
resources and sometimes it feels

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like we don't have the access
that we need to help us and

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support us in some of these life
is very much trials and

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tribulations to get through,
especially the youth of, you

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know, the world.
Absolutely.

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And kind of also helping to get
rid of that stigma because

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there's there's so much and I
think that's super important.

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OK, Kenny.
Breaking a cycle is huge,

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especially coming from a
minority perspective.

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I'm from Douglasville, GA.
I was, I was raised military.

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I was able to go to a couple
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I was able to go abroad from
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I lived in Germany, but then my
dad came back to the States and.

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We we ended up in El Paso, TX
and there's a lot of different

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challenges and a lot of
different things growing up,

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from my perspective, being an
only child and being in a

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situation to where I have to
travel and leave my friends and

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different things like that
behind and then start all over

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that, that was a huge it had a
huge effect on me, especially

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when it comes to a mental health
component and then being able

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to.
Go to college and play

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basketball.
People think it's easy, but it's

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really not.
And then being blessed to be

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able to go to the NBA and and
stay in the NBA for 11 years.

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It it was a hard grind and
there's a lot of mental aspects

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that I wish I would have had
Catherine's app to be able to

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cope with different things and
hearing her talk about all the

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different ways that her that her
app.

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Neil has affected so many
different people, not with just

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kids.
I felt like this is a great

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opportunity for me to be able to
partner up with her, try and

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create opportunities for more
kids, especially in markets

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where I have a significant
visibility like New Mexico

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because I played college ball
there and then Sacramento.

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Now I work for NBC Sports
California and I'll do TV and

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Houston trying to go there.
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probably creeping to
Philadelphia, another place that

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I played but.
Being able to be a part of this

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and and and and continue to
express the knowledge and it's

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OK to talk about mental health
because there's not a lot of

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people that are comfortable with
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I know I wasn't and I and I'm
still adjusting myself to this

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day.
Yeah I think we all are and

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definitely in in it take it took
a toll on country.

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When we talk about COVID and the
mental health, I think it's, you

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know, release some of that
stigma because of what happened

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to us with the pandemic.
But also too it's it is very

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difficult to be comfortable in
yourself and you know, talk

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about different things that have
happened in your life.

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But I think that's where the
human connection lies.

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And what Neo does is really, you
know, brings out the best in

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people, but it also gives you
that support and you you don't

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feel like you're alone.
You know you have.

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That support, Yeah, absolutely.
So you kind of talked a little

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bit about your journey?
But can you give the audience a

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little bit of an overview of
Neil and kind of like what the

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app does for for users?
She could go on forever with

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this everything.
So yeah, be careful what you

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ask.
I put a link in the chat too, so

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people can go out to the website
and check it out.

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Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I mean, so Nadia, like I

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said, I was working in, I was at
Children's Nationals Pediatric

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Hospital in DC and I was working
with lots of teens and they kept

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asking for digital.
So I was really interested in

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getting their perspective
instead of just being kind of

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the doctor and coming in and
saying, you know this is what

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you need.
It's like kind of asking the

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kids what would work well for
you.

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And that's really how Neil was
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We've had about 500 young people
now work with us and Co

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development and making content
for the app and all these

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different things and what we
decided to build together was a

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self-guided mobile app.
And it does a couple of things,

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but there's a lot of educational
content about mental health

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because we know they're going on
their phones, they're searching

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social media and like YouTube
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So we want now to be a place
where they can search and get

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their questions answered.
There's a lot of stigma

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reduction.
So there's people like Kenny,

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there's so many young people,
they're sharing their

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experiences with mental health,
and we just know how important

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that is.
And that makes you feel less

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alone.
And then there's a lot of

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different life skills, things
built by therapists so they can

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build up, you know, emotional
awareness, better communication

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skills, healthy relationships,
all of that.

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So it's really a selfguided
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We personalize the content for
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And then we also have an A I
system that can do crisis

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monitoring, which is really
awesome, and flag kids who are

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struggling and connect them
right away to a crisis

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counselor.
I love that crisis piece of it

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in the incorporating the A I in
that situation because of if

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things are happening and or
somebody's typing something or

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there's something out on social
media because we, you know, I'm

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not saying we're old but we
didn't really have to deal with

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social media.
I didn't have to deal with

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social media back in our day.
Back in, you know, we had the

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phones with the the put the
minutes on the phones, No

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texting, that kind of stuff.
Remember the dial?

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Remember the Oh yeah spin
turning on the phones.

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Catherine's like what?
You don't know that with my

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grandparents and my grandma had
that phone, so I know exactly

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what you're talking.
About.

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Oh, my bad.
Now I should have said you, so

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it's really great.
You're meeting the the learners,

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the students, the, you know,
anybody where they're at in

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life.
And I just love that about the

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app as well.
And then incorporating the AI.

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I'm not being afraid of that to,
you know, identify those crisis

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type situations.
Yeah, I'm a personalized

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learning person.
So anything that exactly to the

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user and is like personalized,
I'm all for because everybody's

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needs are totally different and
I think when we can tap into

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every, every user, every person,
at least some in some capacity,

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that's awesome. 100% you see
this?

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Go ahead, Kenny.
No, I was just going to say, I

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like the fact that you're able
to do it within your own privacy

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to where there's not anybody
around to where you can feel

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comfortable expressing and doing
whatever you need to do.

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Yeah, that's all.
I was going to now take it over

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from an educated perspective,
Catherine.

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No, I mean, you all should be
salespeople.

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I mean, you just said it all,
but I think you hit on a couple

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big things.
Definitely being able to do it

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in the privacy of your home,
because we know.

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That there's so much that
happens before, you know, a

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young person would walk into my
office as a therapist and a lot

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of that is digital and that, you
know, they're not comfortable,

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just, oh, I'm struggling.
I'm going to talk to an adult.

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I'm going to walk into the
therapist's office.

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So being able to have that kind
of stepping stone to clinical

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care is so important.
And that's really what this can

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be.
And not having it disjointed.

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I think there's so many
different things in the

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behavioral health system that
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Especially when you think about
things like SEL and these

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self-guided, you know mental
health curriculum is not

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connected to clinical services,
but that's the perfect way to

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identify kids who are struggling
before the point of a crisis and

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then connect with them so
something bad doesn't happen.

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So having that kind of
integrated systems and

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connecting though, we call the
Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3

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support, so like prevention,
clinical and crisis services, I

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think that that's really a key
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absolutely.
And whatever she just said,

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yeah, plus one.
So Kenny, you talked when we

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were in the, we were in the
waiting room.

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You talked a little bit about
your ties to, you know, Mexico.

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Can you tell us a little bit
more about the various like

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organizations and things that
you work with around New Mexico?

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And Sacramento, I know, I know
it's a podcast.

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We we can have a conversation.
You can you can be lengthy.

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It's.
All good.

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You want to hear about it?
That's why you're here.

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It's it's OK Where do I start?
Well when it when it comes to

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New Mexico, this is my
foundation.

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This is kind of like where
everything kind of started,

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especially from the age of like
12 and on to where taking

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basketball to the whole next to
the whole next level was being

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put in place because I was a
part of an A, a U team that we

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were on a national level and.
And and being able to come out

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of my shell at such a young age
playing on a a significant high

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level and again some like
amazing guys that are like in

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that I ended up playing against
an NBA has been unreal.

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And right now in New Mexico,
it's always been like one of

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those things that's been a
passion for me is giving back

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the way I was raised.
You.

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You have to give the one you
have to give back because you're

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supposed to.
And then two, in order to

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receive anymore blessings, you
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That's those are a couple models
that I try and follow and I just

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do it just to give most of the
time anyway to where I'm not

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necessarily receiving something
right now.

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I'm on the board for ALS New
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I mean, I'm not up on the board,
excuse me, let me rephrase that.

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I'm actually an ambassador for
make a Wish New Mexico.

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So I do some things with them
when it comes to raising money.

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I'm on the board for the
University of New Mexico Black

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Alumni chapter, which is us
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And you don't have to be black,
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university chapter.
That's been two years.

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I was on the board for ALS for
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I'm not on the board for ALS
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There's a lot of different
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Were being done in New Mexico as
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and the muscles and all that,
and I was happy to be a part of

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that.
Just had a golf tournament for

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the Boys and Girls Club up
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community and it's not as big as
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So I went up there.
It was through a senator of

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mine, Senator Leoha Mijo, who's
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from Espanola and he was
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time when I was playing at U&M.
So we got to reconnect and and

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and and kind of we're just
building this relationship and

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like connecting me with
different community, the

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community people, programs that
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That fits with my brand in
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And I'm also on the African
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state of New Mexico.
I'm on that board.

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But there's there's this variety
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going on and there's always
multiple people trying to come

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at me and wanting me to do stuff
in the community.

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And then majority of the time I
just do it, especially if it

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fits in my schedule.
And yeah, those are some of the

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things I do here.
But let me add this City Year

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Sacramento, I'm on that board.
So I do some stuff in Sacramento

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as well.
When it comes to the kids and

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Catherine, we were doing some
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right now.
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that does stuff with kids as far
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as well.
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humans is the the reason I
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that you're giving back and
wanting to tell people's

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stories.
Because I don't think enough

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people's stories are told and
how they got to where they're at

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and how.
You know especially when we're

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talking about mental health and
how we connect as humans through

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the trauma that we've been
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like.
So thank you for giving back and

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doing that within your
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in.
We love, we love what you're

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doing, and I've read a lot about
you since we first heard.

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You were coming on the show, so
thank you for that and sharing.

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That thank you.
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I I, I try to, I try to attack
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because I have a brand there and
then absolutely here in New

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Mexico.
The nice thing about it is we

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got Colorado, we still got Texas
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Arizona.
So if I'm able to branch off and

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do things and and and just kind
of stay in the forefront of the

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areas that have done so much for
me and then just trying to build

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those up, yeah.
But the sports part of me is

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trying not to ask you sports
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It's asking me, go ahead.
I know.

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No, I'm not.
Not yet.

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I'm going to wait a little bit
longer.

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I was in the, I was in the queue
this morning.

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I'm a huge Orioles fan, and I
was in the queue this morning

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for about an hour trying to get
playoff tickets, and I managed

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to secure two to the ALDS and
the ALCS.

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So I am pumped.
I am so pumped.

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But I'll ask you.
I'll wait to ask you questions.

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And we really, we really.
This isn't about me.

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This is about, you know?
This is This is your podcast

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talking about mental.
Health both of you guys.

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Nadia and Holly's podcast.
Even though it's not named that

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no, no we we're just we're we're
just we're not in the title

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we're not in the title but it
really like as a as a former

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athlete and seeing what you all
are doing and what you're

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bringing together it's really
uplifting.

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So thank you.
Yeah, and and since you since

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Holly kind of preface bringing
together, I'm kind of interested

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to know how did this amazing
collaboration happen.

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Like, how did you guys meet up?
How did you guys collaborate on

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this?
Can you give us a little bit of

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the story behind that?
My head stubbed.

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Not me, I I'm.
Smart.

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I allow the women to talk.
I'm smart.

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You gotta figure it out, Kenny.
You gotta picture on me.

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Yeah.
I mean, it was just, I think,

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kind of like.
Right time.

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And we're both, I think looking
at like Kenny speaks, what he

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was looking to do as far as
mental health stuff.

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But we had a mutual consultant
who was kind of working for both

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of us.
And one of the big things, you

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know, again, being a clinician,
kind of coming from health care,

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there were so many people who
were falling through the cracks,

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and it's usually the most
vulnerable people who aren't

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getting access to health care
through health systems.

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So I feel like for so long we
kind of thought as mental health

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is like this black box, like
it's it's within the system and

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you can't do it in the
community, you can't do it in

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other ways.
So that's something I've always

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been really interested in, in my
career is like how can we make

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this more accessible?
How can we reach people in new

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and innovative places where they
feel more comfortable talking

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about mental health.
So the schools has always been

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one.
We've done a lot of work with

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Neil from the schools to reach
the kids again before the point

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of crisis.
And sports, I think, is huge

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because you're reaching a lot of
people, especially young men, in

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ways that you might not
otherwise reach them.

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So this, you know, consultant
when you're working with us,

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like, hey, I know this guy, He's
interested in some mental

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health.
I think you should just talk,

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just talk.
And then, yeah, I don't know,

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Kenny, you can take it from
there.

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Yeah, it was.
It's me still trying to follow

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my path, which comes down to
giving back, right?

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And I have.
A platform to do that and being

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able to come into a situation
where Catherine has laid out all

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the foundation.
Here I am just trying to come in

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and use my brand to help support
her and then just continue the

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mission.
And the mission is always trying

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to get people involved and feel
comfortable with expressing

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yourself, especially when it
comes to mental health.

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Because if you don't, you never
know where you're going to end

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up and being able to be
comfortable within yourself.

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And expressing those, I think
that's key.

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And then if I'm able to touch
somebody, even if their parent

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tells a little kid, hey, that
this guy played basketball, if

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I'm able to touch somebody and
I'm, I'm, I'm good with that as

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well.
That's awesome.

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You say it so casually.
You were in the NBA for 11

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years.
I mean, I I I have basketball,

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Kenny.
I play some basketball when I go

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outside and try to play with
the, you know, the younger kids

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on the street and they school
me.

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People please do not listen to
her.

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I am the most humble person ever
in in thank you and I I still

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have dreams and.
Especially with me doing NBA

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games now, this is going to be
my third year doing TV.

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It doesn't, it doesn't seem real
that I did that when I'm

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actually watching it, But all
the hard work and everything

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paid off and I was able to
provide for my family and I'm

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still able to now.
And it's been it's been good to

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me, but now it's a different
story.

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It's a different chapter in
Kenny's life to where I need to

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help others.
I used to entertain, but now

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it's different.
So if I can open up some doors

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and get this mental health app
going, I'm gonna do it.

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Absolutely.
And I'm.

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I think that's so amazing.
I'm just so, I'm so, like

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enamored with you and Catherine.
I talked to her.

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I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm so
nervous.

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She's like, Kenny is, Oh my
goodness, nervous.

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About work.
Chill.

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I I mean, I just, I've never
interviewed like a person.

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Of your stature?
Seriously.

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Say, are you kidding me?
We need change that.

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Yeah, we do.
We absolutely we are now, but we

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need to change that.
More you're the first, so we're

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happy to have you here.
And one of the things I was the

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questions that was going through
my head and thinking about this

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as a like a former athlete
myself is and you being at the

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level of the NBA and the
pressure and the practices and

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the.
Playoffs and the championships

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and the the money and the
sponsorship.

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And all the different things
that you have to deal with when

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you're coming.
You start out in these these rec

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leagues and then you go all the
way up to the NBA.

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How does that impact your mental
health and how do you manage

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that?
It was hard.

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It was hard because I didn't
think I was good enough to go to

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college.
And then next thing you know, I

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have a great summer before my
senior year and all these

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colleges come out, North
Carolina, UConn, all the big

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schools.
And here I am in little New

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Mexico and I'm playing in a high
school game and they've never

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televised a local high school
game in the whole state.

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And I'm playing against one of
my best friends, A J Bramlett,

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who ended up going to Arizona
and I went to New Mexico.

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Then we ended up playing against
each other in college, and then

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I decided to stay here in New
Mexico and it was a state

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championship game, 18,000 people
for a high school game.

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I'm like, I need to stay right
here.

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And then I ended up getting
18,000 people for every game.

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And then they've created dots
around the arena for like,

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standing room only.
It was unreal.

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And just from a mental
perspective, like, I didn't

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think I was good enough for
college.

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I'll go back to that.
And then once you get there,

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it's like, hey, I can do this.
So it's a matter.

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I think it's a matter of
tricking your brain to where

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don't, don't tell yourself you
can't.

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I can't do this.
And as being a professional

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athlete, I got to the point when
somebody told me I couldn't do

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something, I even wanted it
more.

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So it's the same thing now in
business it's it's it's

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impacting me so much because I'm
so competitive.

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If somebody tells me one no and
one door, I'll go open up two or

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three more doors.
So I think that's been hard.

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I mean, that's been a growing
process for me because I think

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it was a mental component to
where I just wasn't confident

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enough.
And I think I think this app

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will allow you to be more
confident to where, you know,

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you can do certain things.
Because I'm like what, like 2%,

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three percent of of this nation
to a certain extent to where you

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get a chance to go to the NBA.
Yeah, so.

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Yeah, absolutely.
I was, I was.

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It's it's just so it's just so
amazing that somebody who's done

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what you've done and it's giving
back the way that you're giving

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back.
But how comfortable it is to to

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be in this space and talk in
this space about mental health.

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I I think we don't talk about it
enough to be honest with you.

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I think it's something and
that's one of the things that we

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wanted to discuss here is the
stigmatism around it and

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especially I could think.
At a level of you know, any sort

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of professional league, the
stigma when players, you know,

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I've known it's been in the news
a few like NFL players or people

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taking breaks because of mental
health issues.

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And I hear people feel like,
what are they doing?

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Or I'm watching Get up in the
morning or, you know, First Take

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And Stephen A, I was in Philly
when Stephen A started.

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Yeah.
He's, he's amazing.

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I'm not.
I'm not.

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Honest, even.
I love him.

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00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:21,830
He's very entertaining.
But just, you know, thinking

453
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:25,110
about like these players,
they're humans as well.

454
00:24:26,510 --> 00:24:30,150
See, people don't understand
that, like they expect a

455
00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:34,790
professional athlete not to mess
up, like the pressure and the

456
00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:37,350
little bit anxiety you have to
perform.

457
00:24:37,790 --> 00:24:40,270
And if you don't perform, you're
not going to get that contract.

458
00:24:40,270 --> 00:24:43,710
You're not going to play because
if you're not playing, it's it's

459
00:24:43,910 --> 00:24:46,470
well, what do you do now?
Like your whole life you wanted

460
00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:51,150
to get on a stage like the NBA
and then it comes down to

461
00:24:51,150 --> 00:24:53,550
numbers in production.
It it just does.

462
00:24:53,670 --> 00:24:58,790
And then you get paid off of
your upside and what they think

463
00:24:58,790 --> 00:25:01,670
that can be.
And you even have to be in the

464
00:25:01,670 --> 00:25:05,030
right situation with the right
coach, like on the right team.

465
00:25:05,030 --> 00:25:08,630
And I was just blessed to be
able to do that.

466
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:10,630
And I didn't play my last three
years.

467
00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:14,650
I'll I'll add this like I was
making a significant amount of

468
00:25:14,650 --> 00:25:19,170
money my last three years.
And I was a guy that played in

469
00:25:19,170 --> 00:25:21,970
college, that's played all the
way through college, gets to the

470
00:25:21,970 --> 00:25:23,690
NBA, then you have to wait your
turn.

471
00:25:24,730 --> 00:25:28,650
And then my last three years, I
don't play and I'm trying to get

472
00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:32,850
another contract that messed up,
that that messed me up mentally

473
00:25:32,890 --> 00:25:36,530
because I'm like, what am I
going to do next, right?

474
00:25:36,530 --> 00:25:42,190
I I wasn't a guy that took
advantage of developing those

475
00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:44,350
relationships with partners
while I was playing.

476
00:25:45,110 --> 00:25:47,630
That's one of the key components
that Magic Johnson said.

477
00:25:47,630 --> 00:25:52,470
Who's my mentor that he wish he
would have developed those

478
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:57,870
relationships and he's doing it
now, obviously, but but it would

479
00:25:57,870 --> 00:26:02,030
have been a lot.
Easier He's the commanders.

480
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:06,350
He has the Dodgers, He has the
sparks.

481
00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:11,250
He think he has a I think he has
a soccer team it's just a

482
00:26:11,250 --> 00:26:14,130
variety of different things that
he's created for himself and

483
00:26:14,130 --> 00:26:19,170
it's all because of his brand.
So it it it wasn't easy because

484
00:26:19,330 --> 00:26:22,410
those three years I'm like what
am I going to do next and I

485
00:26:22,410 --> 00:26:25,090
wanted another contract and
people don't know this.

486
00:26:25,570 --> 00:26:27,530
I I I made a significant amount
of money.

487
00:26:27,530 --> 00:26:31,050
But when I signed my deal I left
like 15,000,000 on the table

488
00:26:31,050 --> 00:26:34,810
because I thought I was going to
get another deal and I wanted to

489
00:26:34,810 --> 00:26:37,730
stay in Philly opposed to going
somewhere else.

490
00:26:38,210 --> 00:26:39,690
So.
Yeah.

491
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:43,180
Well, thank you for being
vulnerable and sharing all of

492
00:26:43,180 --> 00:26:49,340
that I can do.
Yeah, giving us the insider

493
00:26:49,340 --> 00:26:51,860
perspective and I obviously have
tons more questions, but we

494
00:26:51,860 --> 00:26:53,660
don't have time for that right
now.

495
00:26:54,220 --> 00:26:56,100
Yeah, I played against Michael
Jordan.

496
00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:59,660
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, but you know,

497
00:27:00,020 --> 00:27:02,140
not, I'm not going to, I'm not
going to finger out.

498
00:27:02,140 --> 00:27:05,660
I really want to focus more on
this topic and I always do think

499
00:27:05,660 --> 00:27:08,660
about that, especially when I
see and Nadia.

500
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,120
This is your time when you tell
me to be quiet.

501
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,880
When I see things happen, like
what happened to Aaron Rodgers

502
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,160
and what he's going through now,
I can only imagine what that's

503
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,800
doing to him mentally and he he
was so prepared and ready to go

504
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,560
and get The Jets on the map and
then four plays in, he's done

505
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,240
for the season.
Probably it.

506
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,080
I can't imagine what that does
to to an athlete at any level.

507
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,290
You know he's he's Aaron
Rodgers.

508
00:27:39,290 --> 00:27:42,650
Like a guy like him.
He'll get another chance.

509
00:27:42,650 --> 00:27:46,370
If he wants some guys when they
get hurt, it's over.

510
00:27:47,010 --> 00:27:52,330
It's a wrap.
And I know that he didn't want

511
00:27:52,330 --> 00:27:54,130
something like that to happen.
Who does?

512
00:27:54,130 --> 00:27:56,530
Because obviously he wanted to
prove himself.

513
00:27:56,530 --> 00:27:58,970
Like I don't.
I don't need to be in Green Bay

514
00:27:59,410 --> 00:28:03,330
to still be good and I still got
it at at 39, right?

515
00:28:03,330 --> 00:28:07,410
But I feel like this is a guy
that he's going to come back.

516
00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:09,610
I don't.
I don't think the story's over

517
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:14,610
and he has that right.
And he's seen the same surgeon

518
00:28:14,610 --> 00:28:18,090
that that worked on Kobe Bryant
from what I was told.

519
00:28:18,170 --> 00:28:21,690
So he's in good hands and see
what happens.

520
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:25,530
Yeah, and I'm just thinking out
the different levels too.

521
00:28:25,570 --> 00:28:28,290
Even when that happens, when
you're like a high school or

522
00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:32,370
college and you just, you know,
you're dealing with classes and

523
00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:36,100
grades and parents and
relationships, these kids are

524
00:28:36,100 --> 00:28:40,100
making 200 + 1000 to go to
college.

525
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:43,780
Nowadays, don't go there.
Don't, don't, don't go there.

526
00:28:44,220 --> 00:28:47,540
High school too.
These kids are making money.

527
00:28:47,940 --> 00:28:51,340
If I was in college and we had
nil, Oh my goodness, I would

528
00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:54,140
have wanted more years in
college, man.

529
00:28:55,220 --> 00:28:59,430
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I'm interested to know a

530
00:28:59,430 --> 00:29:02,390
little bit more about the
details of the projects that

531
00:29:02,390 --> 00:29:07,270
you're collaborating on with the
Department of Health in New

532
00:29:07,270 --> 00:29:11,390
Mexico or any additional, you
know, projects that you'd like

533
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:14,190
to to share.
But I'm interested to kind of

534
00:29:14,190 --> 00:29:17,590
dig into that if you're, you're
willing to share a little bit

535
00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:24,190
with the audience, oh.
Yeah, absolutely.

536
00:29:24,910 --> 00:29:27,870
I'm ready.
Yeah.

537
00:29:27,870 --> 00:29:30,190
I mean, part of the work that
we're doing across the country,

538
00:29:30,190 --> 00:29:32,750
but in New Mexico and with the
Department of Health is really

539
00:29:32,750 --> 00:29:35,270
what we're doing today.
And like, I just want to again

540
00:29:35,270 --> 00:29:37,910
thank Kenny for being here
because you don't, you know,

541
00:29:38,150 --> 00:29:40,750
10-15 years ago, right, like
when we were in school, you

542
00:29:40,750 --> 00:29:44,150
didn't see people talking about
this and being open and

543
00:29:44,150 --> 00:29:45,750
vulnerable about their mental
health.

544
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:48,910
And now imagine, I mean, for any
of us as adults, but especially

545
00:29:48,910 --> 00:29:52,200
the kids who are watching this.
All the things that Kenny was

546
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,400
feeling is talk about not having
confidence, not feeling good

547
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,320
enough, trying to reinvent
yourself or decide what to do

548
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,280
after school or after a career
change.

549
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:03,040
Like those are things that even
people at his level deal with.

550
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,000
And I think that kids don't
always realize that just to have

551
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,120
somebody just come out and be
open and vulnerable about that

552
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,960
is is huge.
So I want to thank Kenny for

553
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,520
that and that's a big part of
the work that we're doing.

554
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,000
So one thing we're doing with
the Department of Health, we're

555
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,560
real excited about this.
We're going to be in Albuquerque

556
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,860
mid November.
We're keynoting the DoH

557
00:30:22,020 --> 00:30:25,180
conference, so we're going to be
able to chat with all of the

558
00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:29,740
people in New Mexico in mental
health school based services and

559
00:30:29,740 --> 00:30:32,100
really just get that
conversation going and talking

560
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:35,980
about, you know, mental health
in general reducing stigma and

561
00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:38,420
really starting about to talk
about Ed tech, which is, I know

562
00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:41,540
what this podcast is about.
But some people might be

563
00:30:41,540 --> 00:30:43,300
surprised to know a lot of
schools.

564
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:46,140
Yes, they're using technology,
but they're not using mental

565
00:30:46,140 --> 00:30:49,050
health technology.
And the idea that we have mental

566
00:30:49,050 --> 00:30:52,090
health within the schools is
still very new.

567
00:30:52,090 --> 00:30:55,450
COVID kind of accelerated this,
but it's not like all the

568
00:30:55,450 --> 00:30:57,930
schools are are doing this and
it's so easy and comfortable and

569
00:30:57,930 --> 00:31:00,930
they've been doing it forever.
So Kenny and I are going to be

570
00:31:00,930 --> 00:31:03,690
able to go there and just talk
to a whole lot of people about

571
00:31:03,810 --> 00:31:06,610
some of the work we've been
doing at NEOS and really just

572
00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:09,250
talking about best practices
with mental health technology to

573
00:31:09,250 --> 00:31:11,650
get the schools a little bit
more comfortable with Ed Tech.

574
00:31:11,650 --> 00:31:13,010
So we're pretty excited about
that.

575
00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:16,440
That's awesome.
I got a question for you guys.

576
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,960
What are these numbers on this
screen?

577
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,880
Which numbers I got like 95% on
mine?

578
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,720
And what are these numbers that
are coming in and out?

579
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,120
I've never seen this before.
Oh, that might be like your

580
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,640
audio quality or your video
quality.

581
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,520
That's coming in.
Oh, OK, cool.

582
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,520
Yeah, It's telling you how
wonderful you are.

583
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320
You're doing fantastic.
It's giving you positive

584
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,560
reinforcement.
No, you just did a good job.

585
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,040
You can say it again.
I'm just kidding.

586
00:31:47,820 --> 00:31:52,060
Well, Catherine, I want to talk
a little bit about what when

587
00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:54,740
you're going into schools and I
know that it's K through 12

588
00:31:54,740 --> 00:31:58,500
higher Ed, like what are some of
the things that you do and what

589
00:31:58,500 --> 00:32:01,020
you know, bringing Kenny in now,
what's that going to do for the

590
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,580
platform?
You know, how is that going to

591
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:06,580
make a positive social impact?
And you know, in the larger

592
00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:08,860
community because it's not just
going to be in New Mexico.

593
00:32:09,780 --> 00:32:11,700
And you know, our podcast is
international.

594
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,920
Saying it's going to be around,
so people are going to start

595
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,480
contacting you from other
countries.

596
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,080
So be prepared.
So how, how are you going to,

597
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,720
you know, scale that?
But beyond that, what's the

598
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,880
impact that you think it's going
to have or that you are already

599
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,480
seeing that it's having when you
bring it into the schools, into

600
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,120
these children?
Oh yeah.

601
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,520
I guess a couple different
things.

602
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,400
One of them is kind of going off
of what I said before is that

603
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,040
mental health in the schools and
mental health technology in the

604
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,280
schools is still really new.
And Kenny knows this from being

605
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,160
on.
I don't know how many

606
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:47,520
conversations with me now and
and different potential partners

607
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,000
where it's not like, oh, we've
done this before.

608
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,720
OK, great, let's do it again.
It's really starting from Day 0

609
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,640
of what is this technology, how
do we use it, what's the rollout

610
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,560
plan.
So there's so much to do there.

611
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,520
And one of the exciting things
that we're starting to do is

612
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,520
kind of even take a step back
from implementing the technology

613
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,360
and just having conversations
like this or keynote

614
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,640
conversations or Kenny has
graciously kind of.

615
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,080
Opened himself up to speaking
engagements and going into, you

616
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,760
know, schools and different
opportunities.

617
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,280
He does so much, he's really
humble.

618
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000
He does a lot about, you know,
basketball tournaments and

619
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,760
reaching thousands of kids in
New Mexico.

620
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,520
So having these opportunities to
just kind of get your foot in

621
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,800
the door and start to discuss
mental health, that's like a

622
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,680
stepping stone to implementing
the actual program, which as

623
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,640
we've seen to be implemented as
a self-guided service kind of

624
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,400
opt in for students or in some
schools it's even integrated

625
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,200
into the curriculum.
That's awesome.

626
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,520
I love that you're kind of
creating that buy in kind of

627
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,640
getting them just warmed up,
excited and to talk about these

628
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,240
kind of topics and getting
making them feel comfortable

629
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,720
around.
It absolutely.

630
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,880
I feel like it.
Like I said before, it's just

631
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400
not something that's talked
about enough and you can feel

632
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,240
like kind of isolated when
you're having those kinds of

633
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,880
issues.
You know, in school and you can

634
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,360
go to the counselor, but maybe
that's not the support that you

635
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,960
necessarily need.
So it bringing this to the table

636
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:11,639
was really going to help a lot
of people.

637
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,440
And they're in their breath
then, too.

638
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,440
Counselors like, yeah, I mean,
yeah, because I almost went down

639
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,159
that road.
I started my degree in

640
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:23,800
counseling, school counseling,
and the pandemic hit and that

641
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,199
kind of, you know, messed the
whole, not really messed it up

642
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,080
because I I feel like I'm where
I'm supposed to be.

643
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,639
But.
You know, it kind of put a

644
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,960
little halt on the plan.
So I think school counselors as

645
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,960
well are spread, spread thin.
So it's kind of nice to have

646
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,840
that additional support for for
students.

647
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,080
Yeah, absolutely.
And Colton's making an

648
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,080
appearance with my dog Colton.
He's saying aye.

649
00:34:52,020 --> 00:34:54,780
Yeah, I just, I I have so many
questions floating through my

650
00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:58,500
head and and things that I want
to talk about with both of you.

651
00:34:58,500 --> 00:35:00,860
And again, Kenny, thank you so
much for being here and

652
00:35:00,860 --> 00:35:04,060
Catherine, thank you for doing
what you're doing and really

653
00:35:04,060 --> 00:35:07,140
looking forward to hearing how
things go with New Mexico and

654
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:09,220
the keynote.
Congratulations on that.

655
00:35:09,220 --> 00:35:09,900
That's.
That's.

656
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,660
We hope sometime you'll come out
to the East Coast to do

657
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:17,340
something so we could all meet
up in person and say hi.

658
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:22,850
But one of the things that I I
do want to mention is that, like

659
00:35:22,850 --> 00:35:25,690
I was saying before, these
athletes, these people, they're

660
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:27,890
humans.
They do have real problems.

661
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:31,890
You know, Neo really puts it out
there for people to take this

662
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:34,610
journey and personalize
learning, and everybody needs to

663
00:35:34,610 --> 00:35:39,150
go to definitely check it out.
You know, but in wrapping things

664
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:43,070
up a little bit, are there any
other sorts of projects or

665
00:35:43,070 --> 00:35:46,150
things that you have coming down
the line that people should know

666
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:48,630
about besides the keynote that
you want to share and want to

667
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:50,670
get out there?
We're going to share everything

668
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:53,910
because this is going to become
an episode as well in the show

669
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:57,550
notes and out there for, you
know, LinkedIn world, YouTube

670
00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:59,230
world.
Everybody's going to be able to

671
00:35:59,710 --> 00:36:01,910
find out what you're both are
doing in this wonderful

672
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:06,840
collaboration.
I mean we have a, we have a

673
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,960
variety of different things that
we're working on.

674
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,920
We just kind of, we just kind of
brought up the keynote speaking

675
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:14,960
thing because we know that
that's happening.

676
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Yeah, you know, we can't talk
about things.

677
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,360
I can't talk about the things
that we have going on because

678
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,680
they haven't actually happened
yet.

679
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,120
So I don't know if you want to
add to that capital.

680
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,640
Yeah.
Was that being too big?

681
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,840
Don't.
Violate into any NDA agreement

682
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:31,680
ever.
That's that's always my thing.

683
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,320
And when I ask this question, no
NDA violations.

684
00:36:34,770 --> 00:36:37,650
Don't want to get in trouble
this whenever you can share.

685
00:36:37,770 --> 00:36:39,810
This is what I'll say about some
of the work Kenny and I are

686
00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:42,170
doing.
It's really about being creative

687
00:36:42,170 --> 00:36:44,690
and how do you meet young people
where they are.

688
00:36:45,330 --> 00:36:47,050
And some of the things that I
think about is.

689
00:36:48,740 --> 00:36:50,580
And I think we talked about
this, Holly, but remember those

690
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:53,740
like, kind of like kitschy, like
public health video series that

691
00:36:53,740 --> 00:36:55,460
they used to have, like after
the school specials?

692
00:36:55,660 --> 00:36:58,140
Yeah, but like in their own way,
as goofy as they were, they were

693
00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:00,580
innovative because they were on
TV and they were trying to meet

694
00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:02,380
young people where they were.
Remembered it.

695
00:37:02,380 --> 00:37:05,460
They did.
So, yeah, so it's kind of the

696
00:37:05,460 --> 00:37:07,420
same thing now.
And we're thinking about media

697
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:10,020
and technologies and some
different partnerships and maybe

698
00:37:10,020 --> 00:37:12,300
some video series that we're
looking forward to announcing

699
00:37:12,300 --> 00:37:14,990
soon.
But how can we bring together,

700
00:37:14,990 --> 00:37:17,470
you know, people like Kenny who
are really role models with

701
00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:21,110
young people talking about
mental health and just meet them

702
00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:23,110
in these kind of digital mediums
where they are.

703
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:25,110
I think that that's going to be
really exciting.

704
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:28,950
So kind of keep posted before we
make those announcements, but I

705
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:32,150
think there's going to be a lot
more around that and even stuff

706
00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:34,870
like he had mentioned with, you
know, basketball tournaments and

707
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:36,950
sports and some other folks that
he's working with.

708
00:37:37,340 --> 00:37:40,700
It's like a really great way to
meet young people outside of the

709
00:37:40,700 --> 00:37:42,580
doctor's office.
Not that the doctor's office

710
00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:45,420
isn't important, but there are
so many people who aren't ending

711
00:37:45,420 --> 00:37:48,700
up there for whatever reason.
So like, I don't know if there's

712
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:50,700
anything you want to share about
the basketball tournaments and

713
00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:53,740
all the kids you're reaching.
There's so much there as well,

714
00:37:54,380 --> 00:37:58,180
thank you.
I actually just did a tournament

715
00:37:58,180 --> 00:38:00,780
from Memorial Day weekend.
I partnered with the city of

716
00:38:00,780 --> 00:38:04,520
Berlin, which is on the
outskirts of Albuquerque to

717
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:11,480
where we had 18, like 18 or 19
gems in Valencia County and kind

718
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,800
of like in that whole outskirts
of Albuquerque because we use

719
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,400
Belange Gems and things like
that.

720
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,320
We had 252 boys and girls from
like 7 different states.

721
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,640
So kind of like what I'm doing
is I'll have a tournament in

722
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,360
like Albuquerque and then I'll
go to like Roswell, NM, which is

723
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,840
right there by Texas El Paso
where I live.

724
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,600
And then I'll go to like Hobbs,
NM next year, which is right

725
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,520
there by Texas also.
And then up North Santa Fe area

726
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,680
where I just had my golf
tournament up there.

727
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,880
And then there's just other
opportunities of of other places

728
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,320
like Houston.
I'm looking at having a

729
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:56,910
tournament there, Sacramento of
course, and then if I'm able to

730
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:59,070
go to Philadelphia, that's fine
as well.

731
00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:03,230
And in that big tournament that
I had, we had teams from like

732
00:39:03,230 --> 00:39:07,830
Chihuahua, Chihuahua, Mexico,
like Arkansas.

733
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:11,270
Now they want us to go up to
Arkansas and do a tournament.

734
00:39:12,470 --> 00:39:15,070
The nice thing about it is in
these different areas, I'm

735
00:39:15,070 --> 00:39:18,190
creating partnerships with the
cities to where if they let us

736
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:21,740
use their facilities, they get
the opportunity to be able to

737
00:39:21,740 --> 00:39:24,660
make money as well.
If it's a percentage of the door

738
00:39:25,020 --> 00:39:28,660
or if it's concession or
whatever it may be, and we're

739
00:39:28,660 --> 00:39:31,980
not charging a lot per team,
we're charging like a few 100

740
00:39:31,980 --> 00:39:34,180
bucks.
It's not like it's like 6-7

741
00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:37,700
hundred bucks for like 3 or four
games and it's a couple 100 for

742
00:39:37,700 --> 00:39:40,740
like 3 to five games.
And then they get trophies and

743
00:39:40,740 --> 00:39:43,660
then they get to meet me because
I'm jumping around to all of

744
00:39:43,660 --> 00:39:47,790
these facilities and taking
pictures and visibility there

745
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:50,590
because with my name being
attached, they obviously want to

746
00:39:50,590 --> 00:39:53,270
see me being there.
So I'm not going to be able to

747
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:55,670
make them all.
But it's it's becoming a regular

748
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:58,670
thing to where I'm having
tournaments on a consistent

749
00:39:58,670 --> 00:40:02,830
basis, like my next one was
coming up in December here in

750
00:40:02,830 --> 00:40:04,830
New Mexico.
So it's going to be around the

751
00:40:04,830 --> 00:40:09,110
holidays to give the kids an out
during that time because they're

752
00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:12,150
usually on breaker they to keep
them active and have them doing

753
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:14,670
something.
Absolutely.

754
00:40:15,230 --> 00:40:17,110
Oh, my goodness, you're doing a
lot longer.

755
00:40:18,030 --> 00:40:21,150
I heard Philadelphia, so that's
over this way.

756
00:40:21,630 --> 00:40:25,350
Yeah, we, we, we haven't started
up there yet, but I'm hoping to

757
00:40:25,350 --> 00:40:27,990
get into that market with some
other things that I have going

758
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:30,830
on with some with some of my
business partners out of LA.

759
00:40:30,830 --> 00:40:33,870
Yeah, yeah, we'll see what
happened.

760
00:40:35,830 --> 00:40:39,470
I love everything that you're
doing and I'm sure that we could

761
00:40:39,470 --> 00:40:44,110
probably talk for hours and.
You're just so.

762
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:49,270
Genuine and it is and you're
just so you are very charming

763
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:51,630
and.
It's been an absolute pleasure

764
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:56,150
having you on and putting you on
this platform and expressing

765
00:40:56,150 --> 00:40:58,710
your runability.
And also, Catherine, you know, I

766
00:40:58,710 --> 00:41:01,070
admire you and all the things
that you've been doing and

767
00:41:01,070 --> 00:41:05,790
watching, you know, grow to this
point is unbelievable and I

768
00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:07,830
can't wait to see where it goes
next.

769
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,360
So we want to wrap up with some
final thoughts.

770
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,000
Anything else that you you want
to share with us or share with

771
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,760
the audience?
Anything that we forgot to talk

772
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,400
about?
Because I'm just so into my

773
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,000
sports brain right now.
I blame Kenny.

774
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,760
For being a professional
athlete.

775
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,080
So anything else that you want
to share with the audience?

776
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,120
Ladies first all.
Right, well.

777
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,600
Because I'm about my social
media, yeah.

778
00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:38,370
So yes, and there's wine
company.

779
00:41:38,370 --> 00:41:40,530
Kenny has so much going on.
It's so cool to work with like a

780
00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:43,010
fellow entrepreneur and really
get his perspective.

781
00:41:43,010 --> 00:41:47,090
But to kind of bring it back to
the Ed tech before we jump into

782
00:41:47,090 --> 00:41:49,410
Kenny's stuff, because I know
there's a lot of people

783
00:41:49,410 --> 00:41:51,410
listening and Ed tech is their
thing.

784
00:41:51,790 --> 00:41:54,950
I was just all day kind of
looking through some data.

785
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:57,750
We had an implementation, a big
implementation with the

786
00:41:57,790 --> 00:42:01,310
university, not going to name
them because they probably want

787
00:42:01,310 --> 00:42:03,350
to make the announcement about
some of this data coming out.

788
00:42:03,350 --> 00:42:05,310
But we were looking through some
of the data coming out.

789
00:42:05,310 --> 00:42:09,070
We did a large study last year
with schools and something

790
00:42:09,070 --> 00:42:12,870
really cool that I noticed from
this data coming out is that we

791
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:15,550
had worked with schools.
These are K12 schools, and they

792
00:42:15,550 --> 00:42:19,230
were kids with really more
intense behavioral health needs.

793
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,680
I think a lot of times when
people think mental health, they

794
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,440
think you know, anxiety and
depression.

795
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,520
But these were sites and as far
as I know for the first time

796
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:29,800
where we were looking at digital
mental health with yes, those

797
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,280
kind of traditional mental
health conditions, but also

798
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,000
comorbid with things like ADHD
or autism.

799
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,920
So they had like a combination
of kind of developmental and

800
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,880
mental health issues and we were
trying to support them all.

801
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,040
And what we found is that when
we use this classroom model, so

802
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,040
teachers integrating it into the
classroom, reducing stigma,

803
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,570
talking about mental health.
Over 50% of the kids in these

804
00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:54,010
schools were what we were
calling super users on NEO.

805
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:56,650
They were logging in 30 plus
times throughout the school

806
00:42:56,650 --> 00:42:57,930
year.
So it's not like they're signing

807
00:42:57,930 --> 00:43:00,530
up once and not interested.
Like they're going back and

808
00:43:00,530 --> 00:43:03,170
they're going back and we're
about to release some a case

809
00:43:03,170 --> 00:43:05,530
study about it with like all
these nice quotes from the kids

810
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:09,130
where they show this is how it
helped me that we use the crisis

811
00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:10,810
AI.
It was able to identify a bunch

812
00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:12,250
of kids.
Within 10 minutes we could

813
00:43:12,250 --> 00:43:14,500
notify the schools.
And let them know kids were

814
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:17,220
struggling.
So it's really cool to start to

815
00:43:17,540 --> 00:43:19,780
play around with this and
implement it into the classroom

816
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:22,580
and see how when teachers and
other folks get involved in the

817
00:43:22,580 --> 00:43:26,220
school, how it can just bolster
the effect of this program.

818
00:43:26,220 --> 00:43:29,300
Yeah.
What she just said.

819
00:43:31,500 --> 00:43:33,060
I can't talk that one from
Kenny.

820
00:43:33,380 --> 00:43:37,540
I can't talk that Kenny Thomas,
MBA social media handle.

821
00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:39,320
Follow me.
That's all I got.

822
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,280
Absolutely fault, Kenny.
He's so genuine and he does a

823
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,160
lot of great things out in the
community.

824
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,240
Um, I've been low key stalking
you since Catherine said you

825
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,240
were coming on this show.
Oh Jesus.

826
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,160
That's funny.
No shame in your game, Holly?

827
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,520
No, I.
Don't hate you.

828
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,160
Feel the same way.
It's all good.

829
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,280
Well, we.
Yeah, go ahead.

830
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,880
No, I was just gonna say I would
love to come back, Catherine.

831
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,920
Whatever you need, obviously.
You guys just let me know I had

832
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:14,880
fun.
Thank you.

833
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,000
That's all.
Yeah, we we do.

834
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,640
Where are they now?
Episodes And we will.

835
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,480
We would absolutely put you at
the top of the list.

836
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,360
We want to see in 6 to 12 months
what you are doing with this

837
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,640
collaboration, how much it's
spreading and all the great

838
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,610
things that you're doing and
share it with our audience

839
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:33,010
because we're all about stories
and we're all about helping

840
00:44:33,050 --> 00:44:35,410
people here at UP at Tech.
So we can't.

841
00:44:35,410 --> 00:44:37,210
Thank you enough, Kenny, for
your time.

842
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:39,730
Catherine, for your time and
being with us this afternoon,

843
00:44:39,730 --> 00:44:41,770
this evening and all the
listeners out there.

844
00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:44,730
This is an amazing episode.
Thanks for joining us.

845
00:44:44,730 --> 00:44:47,290
We really appreciate it.
Yes, totally.

846
00:44:47,770 --> 00:44:51,930
Thank you guys for having me the
add up at tech podcast.

847
00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:56,050
I said that right?
Yeah, that part.

848
00:44:57,730 --> 00:44:59,330
Out.
Amazing.

849
00:45:00,570 --> 00:45:04,090
I got you.
Thank you ladies.