81: Catalyzing Transformation in Individuals and in Communities and Being an Agent of Change, A.M. Bhatt, CEO and Founder of DAE

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Hello, my name is Holly Owens
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Here's what's coming up on this
episode Unity around.

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Education has always been a
central part of my focus.

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My goodness I love that
definition relationship is a

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technology so you can state of
being is that it's a set of

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behaviors that are really
critical.

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But then in the educational
domain, it's a state of being.

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One of the things that's on the
table for us.

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That's being offered is the
possibility of opening it.

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A full-time High School.
Hello everyone and welcome to

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another amazing episode of Ed
up.

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Ed Tech my name is Holly Owens
and I'm your host.

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And today we have a fantastic
person with us on the show that

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is going to tell us so many
wonderful things about what

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they're doing.
We have a mbot who is the

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founder and CEO of Dae so am
welcome to the show.

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Thank you, Ali.
Thank you for having me here and

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I'm looking forward to our
conversation, me too.

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But before we get into all
things Dae, I want to know

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about.
You tell me about yourself.

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And how did you journey into
this Ed Tech space?

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Well, okay, so I'm going to give
you the longest possible.

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Subversion.
I'm sorry.

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Was an immigrant to this
country.

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I was an immigrant as well.
But by posing energy to study

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decided as a young man that he
wanted to be in America as a

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funny story around that too, but
that's part of a podcast and he

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came here, you know, classic
story didn't know.

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Anyone had obviously never been
here, didn't know anybody who

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didn't hear and landed here and
there are three things that had

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a thing work.
First was education.

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He was able to get himself into
program into an engineering.

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Program, as it turns out having
that having that Focus, I think

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that Target was the first thing
that that had kind of Life work

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here.
The second was Community again,

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he was an immigrant student visa
and there is this community of

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professors and fellow students
that sort of took him in and

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showed him the ropes and just
help him understand.

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All the things that folks might
take for granted and then the

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third was was, he's willingness
courage, vulnerability to say,

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This is what I want life to be.
This is what I'm willing to say.

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The future is, this is what I'm
willing to give my life energy

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for, all right?
So that Journey for me has

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always been instructive.
So we get my mom.

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And I did three years later, we
were actually undocumented when

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we came but growing up.
I saw the role that the

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university played for him.
As the anchor and played for us

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as the anchor, we were able to
stay because he had a student

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visa, right?
And so School became the way we

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were able to stay in there.
Country literally but then also

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became the Catalyst to a like
that's the kind of you know

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longest term answer Community
around education has always been

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a central part of my focused
from lived experience and then

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professionally as I moved into
the world I spend most of my

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time on the corporate side doing
adult development, a lot of

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executive development, a lot of
work in Europe, across the u.s.

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obviously mainly in Tech and
pharmaceuticals and financial

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services.
And throughout all that time

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those three pillars, right?
CreateSpace cool.

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Individuals can exercise the
courage and vulnerability to

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claim who it is.
They want to be despite them not

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being that and having no basis
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content of education and
community.

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So when we, when we get into
this edtech, for me, the tech

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grammar, I'm going to be an
oddball in your compositions of

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the biggest tech.
For me, means something very

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different than I think, what it
might mean, normally for you.

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Yeah, it was really long, we're
gonna get into that, we're gonna

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get into that.
Well, I really loved your story.

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Yeah, and I love your story
about your dad and coming to the

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u.s. and say it's a common
story, but I feel like every

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journey is different.
It really, really is absolutely

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and that's one of the reasons I
love doing this.

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Show is to here and I and get
people exposed to more those

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Journeys and how you got here.
So thank you for sharing that.

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So being, is it that your CEO
and founder?

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Do you have a favorite like,
quote, an education related, or

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otherwise that you can share
with the audience that you were?

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Back to maybe for inspiration.
I'm not big on famous people

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kind of quote on duty and it's
more of a little passage to book

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a little book by James cars
called finite and infinite

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games.
And I was fortunate to have a

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professor who was sort of my
mentors and undergrad who knew

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cars cars passed in the last
couple of years, and brought me

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a purse edition of that book and
said here.

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Kid, this is for you.
You're going to love this and

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among a thousand really
provocative gems out of that

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book.
Is the following line to be

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prepared against surprise, is to
be trained to be prepared for

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surprises to be educated.
So what what he's pointing to

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there is that, you know, most of
what passes for education is

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training, it is very useful, but
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capacity to not be surprised in
any domain to be so prepared to

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know.
All there is to know, the

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ultimate kind of training is,
you know, everything there is to

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know about this process this
tool this whatever it is.

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That no matter what comes up,
you're not surprised you can fix

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it, you would deal with it, you
could engage with it, and that's

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wonderful, but education for me
is more of what cars points, due

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to be prepared, not against
surprise, but prepared for

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surprised, we prepared in a way
where what you're seeking is the

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fundamentally unknown and then
you're prepared to engage with

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that.
And, you know, when I was 16

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that was a luxury in the world
based on how the world are

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structured and these days, it's
survival, you know, to be

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prepared for surprise.
So that's the quote and Another

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long-winded sort of tied onto
the quote, I wrote down the

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book.
I'm taking notes as you're

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talking because I don't want, I
don't want to miss things and

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also for myself, that's a really
great passage.

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And one, we obviously haven't
heard of heard of before here,

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ended up at Tech.
So, thank you for sharing that

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and it's really good.
What?

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So, you know, along with that,
the journey to being like a

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founder, and CEO is there
anyone.

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Who's inspired you along the way
that you want to shout out?

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Oh, how you know, Ralph carry
Ola, that that college professor

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human remains close to 40 years
ago, but he remains one of the

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kind of several influences in my
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My, my grandfather would shout
out in terms of my understanding

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of Education, like what it is to
actually engage with other human

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beings and the context of in
development, I knew him in

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India.
He never came here for the names

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of people might know, I wouldn't
.22 again kind of common sources

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I suppose.
But the people you I know, I

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think I think every human being
He who aspires to do

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developmental work with other
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We could bond again, I think
issue.

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Yeah, I think that aren't
necessarily

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is not intelligence or Tools in
relationship to relationship

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Yes.
Absolutely.

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People don't realize and this is
why I love telling people

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stories on the show is like how
much you as a Founder in a CEO.

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You're not sitting up there and
then I retiree you're here,

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you're helping you want to
inspire, you want to change and

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I just love that so much.
Yeah, so now that we've gotten

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to know you a little bit more
and we know that you founded

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this company Dae based off of
your experience.

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How would you personally?
Define educational technology.

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The obvious thing, Ron
educational technology is the

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technology, it's the pegs and we
have an insane and really really

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useful collection of things
right from LMS has we're moving

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to Canvas, it's just an amazing
platform.

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Don't know, plug intended there,
oh my goodness, it's okay.

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I'm huge bias for canvas in the
audience.

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Know that the audience knows it,
so it's totally fine to plug

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them.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
So there's a whole bunch of

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things.
Given that we focus on digital

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tracks but the technology that I
focus most on, in terms of

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hiring faculty.
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is human.
Technology relationship is a

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technology.
We don't engage with it that

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way, but it is a technology.
There's an operating system,

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there are user standards.
First of all things you can say

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about hard technology or about
software, you can say about

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human technology and I think it
is the most critical thing not

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in training and training
relationship is secondary.

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What's Primary is the efficiency
and accuracy of your curriculum

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and the expertise of your
faculty, right?

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And there are many things which
training is absolutely

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essential.
If you're getting on a plane

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tomorrow, I'm not actually but
if I were getting on a plane

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tomorrow, the training of the
mechanics the Precision by which

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they can execute repeatable
tasks and ensure a reliable

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outcome, but does not deviate
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outcome.
Is absolutely critical and the

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relationship that their
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Had to them, was only a marginal
importance, it was important,

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but it wasn't critical.
They had to just your bare,

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minimum respect, the
instructors, technical expertise

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and tolerate them
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And it's good enough to get a
good outcome training in

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education in which again for
media is about helping a human

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being, bring something out of
themselves in a way where they

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are prepared for any surprise
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that.
The central technology is not

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curriculum or hard tools or
vigil.

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Software.
It is the, the nature of the

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relief.
They the nature of depth of the

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relationship that they have with
the space holders of that,

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educational space.
So for me, educational

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technology, like, if you were to
walk into here and asking my

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people, what's the most
important technology its

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relationship?
It's the capacity and the desire

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and the willingness, and the
vulnerability to cultivate deep

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relationship with each other.
And, of course, with the

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learners, my goodness, I love
that definition relationship is

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a technology is absolutely true.
Like you said, does we have

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different personalities?
We have different beliefs, we

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have different, so it 100% is
and I've never thought about it

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that way before, that's really,
really interesting in and I love

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that approach.
This is my retirement gig.

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I started this company as this
is your return, big, CEO and

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founder?
Yeah, yeah, well good, the idea

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was I was doing the classic
These movies that right?

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Like I came back to my hometown
of New Haven where I made me

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that you know, open a little
School is gonna be a non-profit.

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We're going to keep it taking it
be 75 kids and really just focus

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in on some neighborhood in New
Haven where I grew up and the

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thing just got away from me and
unfortunately got away from me

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because there's so much need for
what we're doing.

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And so, yeah, now we're 300
students to campus has about the

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open, the third etc.
Etc.

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But yep, the reason I say that
is most of my adult life was

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spent in on the corporate side.
Side and it was the same thing.

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Holly, you know, this technology
of relationship, we 22 years

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ago, partner, and I launched a
master's program with degree

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program, a graduate degree
program in leadership, and

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change in at the time, it was
one of the first three

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Standalone leadership programs
in the world actually.

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Not just North America and our
prior to that it was either you

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had a psychology degree with a
specialization in leadership by

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the Nordic psych degree or you.
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Does the more common get a
business degree with a

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specialization in leadership?
And our premise was in is that

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leadership is not forming along
as in the humanities and again

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what's critical is relationship
and so on the corporate side we

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tell people after working with
them for a while.

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As you listen, there's only two
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The only thing we're working on
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with is listening, listening is
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That's absolutely Central and it
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Yes, the active listening is
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behavioral and psychological.
I just published a little book.

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I published a children's book
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Are you my listener?
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there, there's a state of being
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is it's a set of behaviors that
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It's, I am listening, I am a
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It's not what I'm doing.
It's who I am for you.

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My point though, is again on the
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of need you know this
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Relationship and listening.
I'm over-caffeinated.

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No no, I'm absolutely loving
everything you're saying here

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because this is totally
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handled things like just working
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of the audience can relate to
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I can in Academia, I was a k
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for about 10 years and I
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refreshing.
It really is.

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All right.
So you've gone into it slightly

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but tell us more about Dae and
really what makes your program

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unique.
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metrics that makes us unique in
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and School District, right?
So we in a town in a state and I

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imagine, this is National
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this where programs like ours
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neighborhood of 50 to 60 percent
retention rates, we graduate, 94

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percent of the kids who come to
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had were even better on the
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relationship thing because what
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program or an adult enrolling in
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programs, your first
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first chunk of time with us, has
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the field software engineer.
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really grounding you in the idea
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taking you and fitting to do
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Curriculum, right?
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is, right?
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of skills using silac.
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the curriculum to you.
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that you step out on the
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Now I don't say that, I don't
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Do a high school sophomore, but
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abbreviation of a longer
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declaring something about how
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That has no basis, that has no
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Evidence that you have no skill
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to say and yet it's what you
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disheartening how human beings
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to be able to speak.
What's in their heart, in terms

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of what they want their life to
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things.
I'll give you like that, that

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kind of rolls off.
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the impact I want to have in the
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Takes a little work, right?
So so So, they're spending time,

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Now, we are a space of listening

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for who you will become and
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tools, you're getting skills.
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University system.
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we're probably doing University
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school students and they were
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for the kids when they complete
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training classroom perspective.
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deepening internally and
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expression.
Of what you want to use your

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kind of planet for and
expressing all of that through

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engineering program, right?
That's I think what makes us

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unique is our emphasis is not,
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It is learner future Centric is
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into that I have no right to
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focus is and then You know kind
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whatever track that used as a
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into that human being.
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because it's kind of like when
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hobbies and your hobbies are
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really passionate about.
So it sounds like you're taking

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that perspective and
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programs.
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answer that question because I
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But for Or me sometimes because
I'm like, I just love working.

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I like podcasting.
And I like most, you know,

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LinkedIn.
I like connecting with people.

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Those are my hobbies, people are
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I'm like, but it's different
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Oh, I'm so glad you're on the
show, this is fantastic.

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So, tell us a little bit more,
but yeah, I just want to know a

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little bit more like you say,
you have a high school program

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that's approved by an
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programs and things.
So how often are you like, is it

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enrolling all the time?
Or is there sir?

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Certain times of the year when
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do so, how does that all work?
Beyond the high school side

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formerly students can enter in
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run year.
Round kids, sign up for a year,

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meeting a calendar year, not
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can start in any one of those.
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Quote-unquote semesters and
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in March, or in end of October
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July January and September or
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adult program, we've devised a
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side because you adult Learners,
there are a lot of Life

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circumstances as child care and
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easy.
E for somebody in that situation

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to fall off of a program because
they had a week where they just

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couldn't get child care in most
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That means they're either
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wait for the next quote, unquote
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So we run cohorts entering every
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program, but that's enrollment
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And so what happens is, if
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months into your program, you
have a childcare issue and you

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need to miss a week.
You're going to be in choler for

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it and you're going to be in
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And so you'll be able to kind of
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where you left off, right?
So there's always an opportunity

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to if life comes up drop a week
and pick up with the cohort

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behind you and pick up exactly
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any time.
So the adult one, you know,

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another long-winded answer.
I definitely had too much coffee

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today, Holly I apologize on the
adult side missions too weird.

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You're doing wonderfully your
cleaning this and I'm I'm

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sitting her learning, have
copious notes, copious notes,

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written, you're doing great.
Wonderful.

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Yeah, so that's that's that's a
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terms of enrollments good.
And I'm thank you for clarifying

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that because I know like with
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important that people know when
where they're at the stages of

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their life.
Like you seven things are

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happening there, childcare,
there's all kinds of different

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responsibilities.
So you're doing a lot of

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wonderful things that Dae can
you share anything with us?

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That's happening in the upcoming
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have?
I think one of the things that

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On the table for us.
That's being offered is the

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possibility of opening a
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And so it would be our
philosophy, how cool?

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Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.

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To have a clarity about what
they're doing after high school

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college work, they don't know,
you know what happens, let's get

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team we drift around and maybe
landed some retail work for a

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while, nothing setting on retail
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But it'll and they're not
because they want to be, but

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because they have to be right.
And that's problematic.

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We're at a point where we think
about do we go.

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Super deep in a geography, open
high school is super deep,

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right?
We get kids for entire four-year

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stretch but we can't do 17,000.
So do we do that, or do we keep

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the model we have?
And we are going to be in every

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city in Connecticut, I'm
committed to that and will do

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that over the next five to seven
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I've got some inquiries from to
other states, actually a couple

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of foundations of reached out.
So, one of those two things is

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coming either, we're going to be
opening up out of steak, or I'm

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going to open a high school in
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So that's part of what's coming
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The other thing that I'm really
interested in Ali-A, As I said

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for 22 years, we ran a master's
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We work with Executives from IBM
and JJ and Facebook and I'm

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really seriously playing with
the idea of reopening that

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program for educators.
I like it.

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Yeah.
See if there's an appetite for

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developing Educators, but this
philosophy.

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Oh my goodness, so many great
things, that obviously means

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you're going to have to come
back on the show and like a year

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and give us an update.
I really like these goals that

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you have and I can't wait to see
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All right.
So we're coming up on the end of

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episode.
You shared a lot of information

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with us is a lot of good things.
I know the audience is probably

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taking notes and they're like oh
where I go to find out more

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about the AE.
But before we wrap things up, I

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want to know.
Is there anything that we miss

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that?
You'd like to share with the

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audience and then tell us what
does the future of Education?

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Look like so anything that we
missed that you want to share

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and then tell us about the
future, Sure, in terms of myths?

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No, I don't think it's anything
for listening.

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You know, this thing about
relationship and was and

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listening, is not academic, it's
not theoretical.

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And what's the relationship?
You have with yourself out,

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you're listening to this thing,
right?

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You listening as a tape
recorder?

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Are you listening as a
processor?

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Or are you listening in a way?
That this is everything we've

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said, but catch is what it is.
You have to say We are music

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that like just moves us, right?
So yeah, I've got music like

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that, right?
Like that Miles Davis is in the

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sound wave.
Put that on and I'm just, you

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know, I love music it gets.
Yeah, it gets me excited and in

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my zone, every morning.
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But now if I listen to that
album, right?

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If I had somebody else do that,
I'll be they figure out who the

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band members are the specific
instruments that they're playing

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on the temple.
They understand the more they

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work to understand it, the more
they missed it.

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So so you know listening to
stuff like this.

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If you're out there listening
they might be stuff in here.

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That's worth understanding, but
becomes more important is what's

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the music you hear that?
That you can rip off of separate

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and apart from any content or
any anything you can understand

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that?
That's pretty much exactly.

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So that's so that's so cool.
And I love music and teach.

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It's a universal language, for
sure.

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Yeah, yeah.
Tell us anybody actually

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anything right now about the
future of blind, Future of

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potato chips.
A reasonable answer is AI

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because in some way there is
going to be an impact.

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But, but I'll give you, I'll
give you our answer when I first

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started teaching and I'm also on
faculty in a graduate psychology

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program, a traditional
University of the or 22 years

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ago.
When I first started teaching

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there.
The first group of students

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asked, if they could meet
outside, the class will be.

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These are weird conversations, I
was happening.

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What happens having with them?
But they were really interested

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and so we formed this little
group called Tuesday teaching.

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Tuesday.
Because that was the one night.

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This group of students could
leak and T because I collect,

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he's back 20 years ago.
It was a tougher thing to do,

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yet to travel to do it.
These days, you just go on

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Amazon and get very rare stuff,
but I'd serve tea and we have

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these conversations that group
is now about 400 students

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alumni, and some of them are in
their 40s now.

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And and so, I tell you that, as
my answer to what the future of

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education is if listening and
relationship are at the core of

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my own, Scatting of Education
Community is the container.

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The classroom isn't to get
Daniel.

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It's the community and
communities aren't Bound by

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time.
Our programs here.

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If you come into a four-month
program here, you got, you got a

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ticket for life.
You literally have a ticket for

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Life, the people come back, it's
crazy, come back and just hang

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out and mentor and I just don't
want to come back and as a place

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to work.
And so I don't know if this will

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actually happen, but if I had to
decide the future of Education,

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it would be the understanding
that what happens in the

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container of what I'm calling.
Education deep relationship, it

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is you know criminal and profane
to end it with a certificate.

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The the what gets formed with
the residue of that is the

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community that that should have
a lifelong access commitment and

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engagement to it.
And this notion that education

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is these three years.
These four years, these six

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months to be makes no sense.
And the what happens in the

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container of education is the
formation of community that we

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should support.
For a lifetime.

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Oh my gosh, I love that because
it doesn't ended always feel

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like the the learning doesn't
end at the degree or the

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certification.
And I do have the credential but

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the expertise comes in the real
world.

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Application of what you've
learned.

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That's just my opinion.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So well, I'm looking forward to
the future.

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I'm so glad that you were able
to come on and share all this

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with us.
Yeah, I really She ate your

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offering the time and Belgium by
ramblings, of course, it's not

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rambling, give yourself, more
credit than that.

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You have a lot of structured
information and things that

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people are definitely going to
absorb.

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And everything you talked about
is going to be in the show notes

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so they can connect with you, on
LinkedIn, learn more about Dae

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it's all going to be there.
So thank you so much, I am

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absolutely.
Thank you, Holly.

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another amazing episode of Ed

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up.
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