80: Instructional Design Insights from a True IDOL, Dr. Robin Sargent, CEO, Founder, and President of IDOL Courses & IDOL Courses Academy

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Enjoy the latest episode of Ed
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Here's what's coming up on this
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Even the guy that hired me or I
guess he was my boss.

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He said I almost didn't hire you
a bring you in here Robin

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because your resume was 12
forking pages long and we are

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the first and only fate
authorized vocational school for

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the Learning and Development
industry in to design

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instruction.
You can learn it just like you

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can learn to read to write to
You can learn how to design a

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course.
I feel like covid propelled ID

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and to the Forefront it's like
oh, what is this?

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Very unique sounding role in?
What do these people do?

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Here's what's coming up on this
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Even the guy that hired me or I
guess he was my boss.

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He said I almost didn't hire you
a bring you in here Robin

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because your resume was too. 12
forking pages long.

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We are the first and only fate
authorized vocational school for

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the Learning and Development
industry to design instruction,

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you can learn it just like you
can learn to read to write to

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draw.
You can learn how to design a

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course.
I feel like covid propelled ID

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and to the Forefront it's like
oh what is this very unique

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sounding role in what do these
people do?

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to
another amazing episode of Ed

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up.
Ed Tech, my name is Holly Owens,

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and I'm your host.
And today, I can't contain my

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excitement, because our
schedules finally aligned, and I

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have dr.
Robbins Sergeant, who is the

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founder and CEO of idle courses,
and the president of idol

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Academy on the show Robin,
you're here.

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Welcome.
I'm here timing is divine.

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I think it's just the right time
and right place for us to

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connect and I'm excited to be
here.

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I'm excited to talk to you.
I have so many different

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questions.
But first, we want to know more

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about you.
Tell us about your journey.

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How did you come to get to idle
courses?

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Tell us how you got into this
education, instructional design

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space.
Well, I'll try to keep my story

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short, but basically, I kind of
zoomed around in very unrelated

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topics.
I got a Bachelor's in Bible and

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theology with a minor in
biblical languages and

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philosophy.
And then I went because I

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couldn't get a job, I went right
back to the same school and got

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a master's degree in the same
darn thing.

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So I got a master's degree in
biblical and Theological

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Studies, by the time I was done
I was throwing My Greek lexicons

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in the trash, I was so over it.
And I had applied to PHD

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programs in religion, but by the
time I was done with my masses,

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even though I got accepted, I
was like, here I am just all I

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know is Bible and Theology and I
just am not interested in it

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anymore and I'm not interested
in just being in the Ivory

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Tower, going from Bachelors to
Masters to PhD with no real.

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Experience under my belt.
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world.
And I found my first job was as

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a assistant librarian at Shorty
University and love that, love

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working, the university, even
when I was doing my masters and

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Bachelors, I was always a
teacher's assistant or a

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graduate research assistant.
And so, a part-time Library

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things.
Sound like a great place to be.

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And one day I was at The copier
and the dean of students said,

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hey Robin, you know about
anybody with a master's degree

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that Interested in becoming an
academic advisor.

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I said, oh, that's me, I'm
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I have a master's, not really
related but I am absolutely

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interested in being an academic
advisor and so just fast

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forward.
I became the assistant dean of

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students by the age of 26 and it
was assistant dean of students

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for the adult professional
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I loved it.
I was there to help the adults

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who were continuing in their
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Getting Associate's degrees and
bachelor's degrees, and master's

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degrees at Shorter University.
My got to guide them in their

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careers, help them with
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During this time as the
assistant dean of students, they

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decided that the professional
studies program, that part of

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the University was going to be
the first ones to start building

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their program online.
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and 2011.
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faculty and staff at the City.
You probably know that a lot of

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them are luddites and that they
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That's a great her there.
That's a great word technology

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scared of it.
They're not their first ones to

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raise their hands.
And in fact, they need a lot of

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side-by-side help on any type of
technology and so me, I've

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always loved it.
I've always loved tect, I've

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always loved technology, they're
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So it just came about that.
I became the online program

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manager and was in charge of
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ground instruction into an
online delivery format.

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Since I was the techie one at
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that I also became the
implementer and built out the

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entire learning management
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And because I was the assistant
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one who built it, I also became
the academic advisor for those

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online.
Students?

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Oh my gosh, I just loved it
like, yeah, it's great.

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You had all these different
roles across different

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departments.
It's I loved it.

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I was like, what is this job?
And then of course, you figure

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out, oh, it's called
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Its online learning.
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to be.
I want to just do this full-time

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also.
Because when you're the online

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program manager at a university,
you also run into a lot of walls

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and bureaucracy and red tape.
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Loving technology and tools and
learning experiences and I'm

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like, and we could do this and
we could do that.

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And they're like, oh we're gonna
have to get it approved through

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all these different channels and
then I find out you can go to

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corporate and you can get all
the tools and all the tech and

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you can just build instruction
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I mean, obviously, you're
solving problems, yada yada

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yada.
But like, really, that was the

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driving motivation for me is,
like, I want to build build

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build and then also, the thing
was, I found out that you could

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double your income, just right
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And so, I did everything I could
to transition to Corporate

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instructional design.
And man, there was nothing to

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help me back then and yeah, I
know, right?

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Yeah, they're just nothing.
I found Christy Tucker's blog

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because that was available back.
Then articulate storyline was

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still new it to user interface
was still in power point.

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It was like just moving into
being its own software Up

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application and so those are my
resources so it took me about

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nine months and I finally I'd
say convince somebody.

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Convince somebody to give me a
chance and I'll, and my first

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job at a digital marketing
agency called Silver pop and

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then it's been turned over.
Its now, it was an IBM company

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announced its own thing, but
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And so that was my first
corporate instructional design

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job.
I just grew from there.

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I went from that job to another
job and then I was a director in

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the corporate instructional
design field in less than three

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years.
I love your story higher

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education than into corporate
the same time, you were

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transitioning into corporate
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I was going from educator to
higher, ed ID and there were no

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resources.
Like you said, you hadn't.

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You just had to figure your way
through on what to do.

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I mean I had the education
background obviously, but it was

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definitely a steep learning
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Oh yeah, I was trying to apply
with a curriculum vitae.

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Like a CV instead of a resume.
In the guy that hired me or I

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guess he was my boss.
He said I almost didn't hire you

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a bring you in here Robin
because your resume was 12

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forking pages long and well, I'm
glad he did.

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So you have to story to tell now
what a great journey for you.

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Do you have any particular like
education and related quotes

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that are your favorites that you
could share with the audience

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that you go to your fur back to
like as you're going through

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these different types of
Journeys in?

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Your professional career.
I have one that I just pair it

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all the time.
Now I feel like my students

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probably think it's my quote
instead of dr.

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David meros because I just say
it all the time.

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And that is information is not
instruction.

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It's a quote that summarizes.
Basically, what my core passion

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is in the arena of Education or
Learning and Development and

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that is deliberate practice and
instruction that centers around

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problems.
And complex tasks love it.

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That's a great quote to, that's,
that's a good one, because I

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feel like sometimes, especially
in the corporate space, we're

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handed power points.
And that's the info.

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And they're like, turn this into
eLearning and we're like we need

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a little bit more than this.
This isn't just going to be

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fabulous.
You you know, you really have to

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think about how you're going to
assess the Learners, all the

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different things and I wouldn't
let higher education.

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Off the hook either.
I was also a lead instructional

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designer for Southern New
Hampshire University, and it's

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it also applies to higher ed as
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They'll hand you a textbook and
say, you know, subject matter.

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Expert in, here we go.
Like, let's just make a course

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in the a lot of it is
information-driven.

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Ya know, that you've been on
Luke's show and you've chatted

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with Lou cops and quite a bit so
you have thats new connection.

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Yeah, that's awesome.
After you I actually didn't

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know.
We were working for them because

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I was a freelancer.
And so I was what they called

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their lead Network instructional
designer so he was working on

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the campus.
So I never actually got to know

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that he was there until
afterwards.

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Oh wow, interesting.
So it is a very small word.

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So tell us about idle courses
and the idol Academy.

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All the things that you're doing
here and what you're offering,

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Offering to people is honestly,
it's amazing.

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I don't know how you do
everything that you do and all

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the resources, you put out, but
we want to hear all about it and

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just tell us all the things.
My first job in the corporate,

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as an instructional designer, I
found out from my team member

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that, oh, you can, you could be
a freelancer on the side and she

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introduced me and opened up the
world of instructional design

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freelancing in Seoul from my
very first job.

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I also was side hustling and
doing learning designs for other

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companies.
Other agencies snoo, for

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example, and I knew That at some
point in my journey, I wanted to

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run my own business.
And then I actually met someone

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who was running an instructional
design and and training

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development business and it just
opened my eyes and I said oh I

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didn't know you could make a
business out of that great.

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I just I could be solopreneur
freelancer and so from there on

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I just built up a ramp of
clients to exit my director.

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All in Learning and Development.
Because like I said, I wanted to

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run a business.
I got an MBA when I was the

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assistant dean of students and I
just knew that if I was going to

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run a business, it had to be
something that I was passionate

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about.
And I mean, instructional design

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has, obviously, check that box.
That's what I got my PhD in

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finally, and then what I decided
to start my business in and as I

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was starting my business, I was
hiring subcontractors and I was

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finding that I was having To
train my subcontractors, and I

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was having to train them in
instructional design, and visual

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design, and animation
principles.

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And I was having to help them
unlearn some bad habits.

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And so, it came about that here,
I am supporting all of these

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subcontractors to get the type
of Workforce that I need to

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support my own clients at the
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Idol courses was an agency and
so I started supporting just for

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free online in a Facebook group
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work in train them up, it would
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Like, yes people could come and
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on their own.
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to land their first second or
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design.
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different from where it started.
I definitely changed my focus

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from trying to train up people
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we're a trade school and then
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contractors for Idol Talent, the
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is the people that comment Idol
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He is all that I focus on and
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end-to-end.
What is their Journey?

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What are all the places that are
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can we remove some of that
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And so just thinking like that
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think that has really been, what
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school and program and really
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our students.
Yeah, and I imagine that you

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looking to get into
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say, probably if I just can't go
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I would say at least 80% of the
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are transitioning, teachers, the
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everywhere.
And I also include teachers, I

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professors.
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80%.
Some of the gripes, if you will

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are pretty similar on both
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want to make that career
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graphic designers, Healthcare
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Yeah, musicians audio Engineers,
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That's so cool.
I love it.

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I feel like covid propelled ID
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It's like, oh, what is this?
Our unique sounding role in,

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what do these people do?
I feel like before we were kind

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of just people didn't
understand, you know, having

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conversations with with my
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I do, they think I design
websites and I'm like, no that's

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not what I do.
So I really love that that a lot

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of people from different
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seeing the value of an ID roll.
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Yeah, I've even had people
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didn't even have a bachelor's
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people the wrong way, but for

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me, I think that learning to
design instruction.

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You can learn it just like you
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draw.
You can learn how to design a

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course.
Weiss prep, revolutionizes

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studying to empower and enable
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Did you know, that 56 percent of
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at team-wise prep that is not

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experience in our study past
subscription so that you can log

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in and have notes, mini video.
Lectures tips, tricks and

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So that you will be most

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I think that's very well said
and I agree with you 100%.

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So for the audience that may not
be aware, which if you were not

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aware of, I could all courses
and Robin.

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I don't know where you've been.
Tell us some of the unique

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things that you do it with these
experiences.

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Yeah.
So the first thing I would say

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that we are the first and only
state authorized vocational

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school for the Learning and
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What makes that incredibly
unique is that up until we

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became a trade school?
You Only get any types of

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credentials in instructional
design through a master's

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degree, a master's certificate,
or a PhD.

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And the fact that we have been
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school now, says that
instructional design is a trade

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that can be learned through
Hands-On learning through all

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practicum.
And yes, of course, you learn

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the theories and the models, and
all the foundational principles

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of instructional design.
But the focus for a trade

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school, Cool.
Is practical experience.

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Deliberate practice.
And then in addition, the other

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things that make us unique is
that our other guiding

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principles are social learning
and learner experience design.

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What that means is that we have
a culture of support.

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We are obsessed with our people.
We have communities, we have

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ongoing mentorship, you get
lifetime access unlimited coach

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feedback on every single, Thing
that you want to submit to him

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as many times as you want to
submit it to them.

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Yeah, it never goes away.
And then also, we have 32

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outside guest experts that come
in speak to our alumni and our

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current students every single
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And so, as you can imagine, we
started Idol courses Academy in

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July of 2019.
And so that library of guest

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expert, workshops has just grown
to.

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Yeah, I could imagine the list
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Have, yeah, yeah, it's pretty
insane fact that we offer access

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to tools, like, beyond all the
templates that you could need.

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We offer access to all the
assets, you would need to build

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courses, like stock assets,
stock video assets, icon packs,

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and on and on through and bottle
elements, you get access to

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several different subscriptions
that we have.

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And so that also something
that's pretty unique about us.

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And then we also only hire for
our Tracked, roles in Idol

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Talent, Idol, courses, Academy
members, which means that people

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get paid experience
opportunities, right through our

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own school.
And then beyond that, there are

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many different credentials that
are offered through our program.

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It's a certificate from an
authorized school plus other

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digital credentials or badges.
If you will.

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I mean, the list goes on about
what makes us unique and I will

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see, I see your badges all the
time flowing on LinkedIn, like

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there.
Are the I see them at least once

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a day at least at the very
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Well I know you're probably ask
this question.

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Yeah later, but I definitely
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I think the trend has started a
while back and that is that

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people are starting to realize
that you can Propel your career

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forward and change careers
through certifications and

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badges and other credentials
that outside of Getting a

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four-year degree, two year,
master's degree or a PhD and you

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can do this by demonstrating
your skills, very specific

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skills because companies are
more interested and what you can

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demonstrate of your skills then
they are that you can write a

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paper in a grad program, right
more and more.

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The recruiting and applicant
tracking systems are starting to

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actually connect to the backend
of places like credly.

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E and Badger and these digital
credential platforms to search

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specifically for people that
have proven skills in the things

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that they are looking for.
Because they find that those

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people are more ready to work.
Oh my gosh, I love everything

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you're saying, just take that
you have on it and like when

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you're talking about the Ivory
Tower of like getting your

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bachelor's or Master's, I feel
like I realized that too late in

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life that I did need to continue
to do my education because we

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were in Academia.
So it's always about the next

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credential.
That's what the people respect,

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better, that's what the
institution wants.

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But really to me, and especially
like what you're seeing in the

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courses that I teach and will
that I talked to, it's about

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that.
Real-world Hands-On application

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of the skills and the knowledge.
100%.

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Yeah, learning is doing.
I think we will all agree on

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that and I mean that very
literally.

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Yeah, yeah, really it's that
simple learning is doing.

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We could definitely continue
this conversation for a really

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long time and I can go different
places, but I want to know

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what's coming up for you.
You've done so much in a very

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short amount of time was idle
courses and Idol Academy.

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It's coming up for you in the
next year.

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Got anything, big things planned
that you can share with the

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audience?
Oh yeah, I do actually saw last

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year my my book came out, the do
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Messy approach, a step by step
guide for instructional design,

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and online learning developers.
And that is literally a formula

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that people can use over and
over again to design their

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course, Blueprints and a walk
you through the entire thing.

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That book called my book baby.
I came up with the idea in

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December and I Released it to
the public of October last year

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and what that was was a
culmination of all the things

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that I have learned from
teaching people how to become

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instructional designers in
e-learning developers.

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Because our field is complex and
there are so many.

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Absolutely, you could say that
again, so many times and

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students, they are so many
questions and the answers, are

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it depends, it depends.
It depends, it depends, but what

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I found.
Found was a real struggle for

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students.
And what I really wanted to do

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to make it clear for them is the
actual design of the course like

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the writing of the instruction.
And if you start with abstract

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Design Concepts like learning
objectives, then that means that

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you are putting information at
the center instead of the

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problem or the task, I wrote the
book.

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You take them through exactly
how to design instruction step

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by step.
What's that whole problem that

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has to be solved right out a
full demonstration, right out

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the full application that shows
that somebody can solve the

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whole problem.
And then work backwards, what is

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the series of problems that they
can solve that lead up to them,

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being able to solve the whole
problem.

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Anyway, the point is, I wrote
this book and I have also.

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Now looking at the idol courses
Academy, And because it's been

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built on learner experience
design.

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That means that everything has
been very iterative.

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I started out, of course, the
Cameo as a beta.

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I mean, it was beta beta drain.
That was whipping it up as the

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students were show me what they
needed to learn and it was all

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just in time.
And after a couple of years,

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just like I said, you know, the
32 Guess workshops a year and

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all the just-in-time training
and the constant evolution of

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the Academy has brought us to a
place where it's time for a

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brand, new Academy 3.0 is what
I'm calling it.

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And this bad boy is the thing
that practices what we preach.

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So right now the idol courses
Academy includes on a videos, a

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ton of templates and all those
other kinds of things but it

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doesn't include the interactive
e-learning and the gamification

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that I'm obsessed with.
I actually wrote my PhD on

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gamification and Corporate
settings.

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And so Academy 3.0 is being
built right now and it is a

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fully interactive step-by-step
gamified version of our trade

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school based on the years of
learner input and experience

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that we have specifically
teaching instructional designers

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and e-learning developers and it
should be coming out by the

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September cohort of this year
and I cannot wait, I am just my

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gosh, I'm so excited.
A way to like just show sneak

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peeks of it.
The main content is built in

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Jeannie lie, which is a
phenomenal platform that just

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makes some really slick very
interactive, really cool things

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that you can do in it.
And then it'll be built on a

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gamified platform.
So that every action that a

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learner needs to take their
gaining points, they are getting

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surprises, Easter eggs are
popping up.

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There are badges that are being
released at certain points.

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It's there is extra content with
deadlines put on it, if they do

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extra credit and I can't wait.
I can't wait either.

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I can't wait to see some of the
previous.

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It's like when you're
anticipating a brand new movie

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that you really, really want to
see.

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And you just want to see the
trailer.

455
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Yeah.
Just want to get a piece of it.

456
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Love it.
Oh my gosh.

457
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Robin, you're doing amazing
stuff up.

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I can't tell you and I know that
the people that go through your

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Academy and your courses and
everything, they appreciate all

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the things that you do for them.
And there's thousands, there's

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got to be thousands of people
who've been positively impacted

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by all the you do.
I hear it from them and it has

463
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just completely changed my life
to be able to find the Learners

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that I get to serve, like, with
joy every morning and it really

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is a unique and special position
to be in.

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And, of course, I couldn't do it
without all of the mentors and

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all of the coaches.
I mean, when I started, it was

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just me.
But at this point, it's like the

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vision really has become a
collective thing.

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It is all of us working together
and getting lit up.

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By serving our next generation
of Creative Learning designers.

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Absolutely.
All right, so we've come to the

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final stages of the episode and
obviously this is not going to

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be the last time we checked
because there's so much more to

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talk about.
I have two final questions.

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Really is 3.
Did we miss anything?

477
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Is there anything else you'd
like to share with the audience?

478
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And then I want to know from
you.

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What does the future of
Education look like in the space

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anything that we missed?
Is that why you didn't get the

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share and then what's the
future?

482
00:29:03,300 --> 00:29:06,400
Well, I didn't, I don't know
that we missed anything unless

483
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you want me to go on and on
about anything that we already

484
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have a follow-up episode,
already in mind about

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entrepreneurship and starting
your own business and growing

486
00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:18,600
it, and all those different
things but I think that would be

487
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odd whole nother episode.
I love it, I love business and I

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love learning.
So I'm there for it does.

489
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,900
Thank you both things change our
life after boiling impactful.

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So for me the future of
Education looks like a couple.

491
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Of different things.
I think that it does look like

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trade schools.
I think that there is a

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significant skills gap between
what people are learning in

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school.
And I mean, Traditional School

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like universities and colleges
and then what they actually need

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00:29:49,300 --> 00:29:53,900
to be able to do on the job.
And so that is creating a

497
00:29:53,908 --> 00:29:58,500
significant skills gap between
those two areas and so I see

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00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:02,600
more and more programs and I've
actually kind of seen a Bit of a

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00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,400
come from higher ed.
So Kudos on those that are

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00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,300
weaving more practicums and more
practical applications

501
00:30:10,500 --> 00:30:14,200
internships thinking about their
curriculum, as how does this

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apply to them being able to
solve real problems in the real

503
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world?
And I see that as being part of

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00:30:21,300 --> 00:30:24,800
the future of Education, you can
even see it in one trick, which

505
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,700
is one of those accredited
online MBA programs.

506
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But what does it do, right?
It is the completely new that,

507
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,900
that is like a trade school.
I also see the future being

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enhanced by a lot of these
artificial intelligence tools

509
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,700
that are available to us.
I think that it will help us as

510
00:30:43,700 --> 00:30:47,400
far as rapid development and the
rapid development has to happen

511
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,700
because of the significant
changes in our technology that

512
00:30:51,700 --> 00:30:54,700
changes in the types of jobs
that are out there.

513
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And so I see more deliberate
Hands-On practice in education

514
00:31:00,700 --> 00:31:03,900
and being augmented by The
technology and the tools that

515
00:31:03,900 --> 00:31:08,700
are available.
Yeah, yes, I can't wait.

516
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:12,000
I'm so excited I can't wait for
the future of all these things

517
00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:16,300
but Robin, thank you so much for
coming on the show and chatting

518
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:19,200
with me about all the wonderful
things that you're doing and

519
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,900
telling us about out of courses
and Idol Academy.

520
00:31:22,300 --> 00:31:24,500
We can't wait to see what you do
next.

521
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:27,600
It's going to be awesome.
I don't know when you sleep

522
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,100
ma'am.
So, thanks again.

523
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:34,700
For your time.
Thank you so much Holly.

524
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:38,000
It's always a pleasure to come
and speak with you and share

525
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,700
with your audience.
Yep, everything about idle

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00:31:40,700 --> 00:31:42,200
courses and that of course has
Canada.

527
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,900
Me course is going to be in the
show notes where to connect with

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00:31:44,900 --> 00:31:47,500
Robin find all the wonderful
things she doing so.

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Check it out there.
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00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:02,100
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00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,300
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