77: Part II - Creating the Next Generation of Innovators, A Two-Part Conversation with Dr. Azizi Seixas, Founding Director of the Media & Innovation Lab at the University of Miami

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Enjoy the latest episode of Ed
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Welcome to part 2 of the episode
with dr.

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Seiches founding director of The
Mill.

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And this part of the episode.
We talk about things that have

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to do with the future, enjoy.
We're not just doing it alone.

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We're not beating our chest
saying that we have got it.

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Figured out what we are saying
is that we're going to be bored

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about striving for more that we
cannot just think of this as

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business as usual and just
operate as if we're trying to

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satisfy the lowest common
denominator.

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No, we need to strive, we need
to find ways in which we can

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find Benchmark.
Whereby we Strive for

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excellence.
But if Excellence that that is

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not just a boat.
Hey, look at what we're doing

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because smart we are but it's
look at what we're doing for

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others and to me that's that's
the greatest thing its service.

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And to me that's what we're
focused on is why we're

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Unapologetic a boat we recognize
that there is this common

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denominator that you need to
bring people into hock to

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hospitals and Healthcare.
Skin.

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But particularly for us at the
University of Miami, we are

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situated in a very important
historically, important

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community in the entire United
States all over tone.

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It's one of the first
predominantly black

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neighborhoods in Florida and in
the United States.

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But unfortunately based on years
of policies, bad policies on the

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light that there have been
disinvestment.

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I'm so for me, as one of the
leaders, at the University of

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Miami, and I know this is shared
by our Dean on others is, we

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can't just be in that Community.
We have to be for the community

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with the community, right?
And so, how do we do that?

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We can't just do it through lip
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We have to be doing it similar
to how technologists build

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Solutions human-centered design.
How do we create programs that

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our community?
Enter designed individually

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based design.
And that's what we're trying to

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do.
That's our Holy Grail of

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innovation and technology.
So if it only works for a few

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then, okay, let's find a way how
it can work for more people.

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Yeah, 100%.
That's that's fantastic.

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I'm sure within all these
pillars, you have a lot of

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different projects that are
going on right now.

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Is there anything that you have
that you can share and talk

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about for the upcoming year?
Yeah, thank you.

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Thank you so much.
Things of what you're doing?

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What are your goals?
Yeah.

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And the roadmap that I'm about
to share, it's really more of an

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invitation to your audience.
As I said, we were very humble.

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Oh, we're bullish about it.
But we're also very humble, we

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can't do it by ourselves.
And this is an invitation for

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people to join this movement.
Let's turn this moment into a

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movement.
So for example, education we are

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galvanizing about 30 to 40
different startup and technology

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companies where we're to be
having apprenticeships for, or

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students.
So my request is many of the

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innovators on Founders and
leaders out there, come talk to

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us because we believe that the
next MDS and scientists will be

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Chief technology officers are
going to be the chief medical

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officers or if not Founders,
help us to train these fools.

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Help them help us to build old
on ecosystem, where it's not

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just technology train, folks,
who are part of the development

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of Looks with everyone, so
that's education.

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So we're really not that
program.

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So we're very excited about
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In terms of research, we have
several studies from rolling out

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our Mill.
The mill boxes are remote,

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Health, monitoring solution with
1,500 participants,

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African-American black
individuals and Latinos in

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rural, and urban areas because
we got to have to get rid of

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this urban-rural divide as well.
And we're providing this remote

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Health monitoring solution
collecting data over a seven day

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period.
And creating digital twins

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working with companies like
Amazon on this project.

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This is critical that you
mention that because I work in a

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Pharmacy Watson, here you go.
So they did.

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So we got to connect because
that's one of the things that I

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know some of those folks there
as well too.

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But I think this is weird.
We have to provide this

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wraparound supports and I know
big tech companies like on

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Amazon.
They've tried to get into health

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care and haven't done so
successfully.

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It's not too bad, you know, it's
not your fault.

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It's not Amazon spoil because
Amazon, the DNA of Amazon is not

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to take care of patients.
That's our job, but if we

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partner together, where we
amplify our respective strengths

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and that's where we have
something special, right?

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And so that's kind of one ear
that we're working on.

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Plus, we're really not some
really nice projects that

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provide maternal mental health,
to Mom's you in a particular.

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Black-on-brown, mom's using VR
working with a company called

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Behavior doing that type of work
as well as some other companies.

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I don't want to leave anyone out
and really trying to find some

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new digital biomarkers as well
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And making Healthcare more
frictionless contact list and

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dare I say deviceless.
And so that's kind of what we're

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aiming for and really building
on our digital therapeutic.

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We want the my vision is we want
the University of Miami to be

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one of the first digital
Therapeutic Health assistance,

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It doesn't mean we're getting
rid of doctors.

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It just means that many of us as
clinicians.

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And my friends who are currently
seeing patients, they want to be

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there for their patience beyond
the 15 minutes that they get

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with them.
So maybe we can build digital

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Solutions and Therapeutics to
provide this wrap around 24/7

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support for patients, right?
When patients need us and this

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is, you know, can be
asynchronous or synchronous or

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on-demand whatever. / modality,
we want to choose.

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That's what we're trying to
build out as well.

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And and in terms of service, I
know Reach digital literacy

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program, and we're very bullish
about.

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It were about to finalize a
partnership.

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We've built our own digital
literacy program, but I know

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others have been doing this and,
you know, there is one company

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that has been doing some good
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We want to ensure that any
patient anyone who comes through

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our hospital system.
They get the digital literacy

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training that many we can't
expect our assume lets people

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know how to log on and sign up
for a username and password.

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Now we got to train them, we got
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support.
So even at that Elemental level,

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that's where we can help to
demystify and destigmatize data,

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you know, data and Technology as
well and how can we make it more

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private?
I think regards to digital

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twins.
That's all we want to focus on

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Precision medicine and And I
want it too much.

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I don't want to take my hat too
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But what we're trying to build a
roadmap of how we can make

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Healthcare more personalized
through the use of digital

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Solutions.
I can't wait I can't wait either

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I'm so looking forward to that
because I'll tell you my

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grandparents are still living
and they have navigating all

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these patient portals for every
single doctor I know like oh my

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gosh and 40 year olds that's
hard.

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It's hard for me.
Well, that's was about to say, I

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was like mean, it's tough for
anyone?

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Yeah, because we lead busy
lives, like, who has the time

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like, people have to realize,
and I said this all the time.

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I said it's to our team,
especially, when we're

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recruiting, participants to
studies or seen patients, like

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no one wakes up.
Thank saying I want to be part

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of a research study so how can
we make it inviting?

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But how can we make sure people
realize that they are the most

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important?
A lot of research studies

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without them.
There is no Legacy.

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There are no findings.
They are literally helping to

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change the trajectory of our
histories by participate in my

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studies.
And it's not hyperbolic, but

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this is what we believe and
that's what we try and share.

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And that's what we not, try, but
we share with participants.

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Like they are literally changing
the trajectory of our histories

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by participating because their
data will help us to understand

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how to cure cancer.
So no help.

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How to cure heart disease to
help to cure demential, how to

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tackle mental in?
Exactly, yeah.

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Yeah, so we got to have to make
it community and a partnership

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and I know others are doing
excellent work as I said we're

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not the only ones doing this.
I think what we are very proud

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of this whole comprehensive, we
want to do it.

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It stopped our team works
extremely hard because it's a

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very ambitious vision and plan
but it's not a plan that we

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know.
Or we believe that only the mill

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can actually satisfy an
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We need an army.
We Need a village.

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We need an entire ecosystem.
Everyone needs to get their

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proverbial hands dirty.
Yes, agreed.

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Oh my goodness.
All right, we're coming up on

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the end of the episode means you
have to come back on the show.

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I'm right.
Well you know where to reach me

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holly?
Yes absolutely.

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So final questions.
Is there anything else you'd

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like to share anything that we
missed?

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And then I want to know, what
does the future of Ed Tech?

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Look like tell us anything.
We missed.

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Yeah.
So I'll just take the laptop I

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think the future when I discuss
the future I'll talk about some

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other things that were currently
doing so or group not just our

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group, but University of Miami's
part of a large group of schools

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throughout the entire United
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fantastic initiative.
That the National Institutes of

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Health has pushed its called.
Am ahead.

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The goal of a my head is to
tackle Health disparities and to

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achieve Health Equity and it is
doing so by way of including and

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seeing how they I machine
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Can help us to better understand
Health disparities, and to find

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solutions that can achieve
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What we have done is that we
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a regional Network.
It just in Florida, that doesn't

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mean that we're only focus on
Florida but this is open to the

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entire United States, by the
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But what we are doing here at
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we have partnered with few
institutions that are minority

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serving institutions, hbcus
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university.
First, it is Hispanic serving

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institutions and tribal
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And essentially, our vision is
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If we want representative data
to, for research purposes, and

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to improve our clinical
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institutions are not necessarily
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At the front lines of tackling
Health, disparities for a wide,

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variety of different reasons.
I don't want to get in trouble.

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The quantity is the point is the
folks who are at the front Lines

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are community-based clinics
federally qualified Health

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Centers, urgent, cares.
And many of these places are in

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impoverished under resource
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So, here's the vision that we we
said, what if we partner with an

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academic institution that's in
those communities, where Health

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disparities are high, we build
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learning infrastructure of those
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of research or clinical care.
And Like and then in a

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hub-and-spoke model they then
get to train and he'll the local

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clinics.
So here is it know that the

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reason why people come to our
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Harvard, or an NYU, or a USC is
because of all the superb talent

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that they have in terms of
clinicians and the like, which

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is just the infrastructure that
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Several Imaging on it, you can
get the results in no time.

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You can do blood work on the
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Come back in no time.
You don't have Have that in

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local community-based clinics
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from a Health Service
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That's what drives Health
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So what if we build
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excess issues, eliminating
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settings whereby we can provide
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because these smaller places
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Well resource with, I did
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little More Nimble than these
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mortar academic Health Centers.
That's what we're building.

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And so that's just one method in
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talking that Health.
We need more trying to solve

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Health disparities.
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we're all about that action.
I know that someone's very

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vernacular, what we're all about
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That's what we're trying to do.
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pathway and a national model as
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standpoint to tackle technology,
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And these are some ways in which
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programs that we're currently
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tributary of this main program
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Fantastic, I'm really looking
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Yeah, after talking to you, I'm
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Really excited about it.
Really, really excited, you

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know, you know.
So, I must be honest with you.

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I'm gonna try and avoid the chat
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this wonderful thing when we
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the other day at one of the
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conversation around because, you
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apoplectic about the inclusion
of chat GPT, you know, in

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schools because they're like
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learn.
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with my mom.
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she teaches a group of students
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know, historically
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life.
I'm of the mindset that inasmuch

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as chat GPT is not a Panacea for
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here to stay.
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And what do we do?
How can this revolutionize

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education?
I liken it to rather to how many

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of us in education, Asian
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framework called class flipping
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onus was on the students to come
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this, that many people say,
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students, won't know how to
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write.
And all of that, we see the type

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of students that are Left
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These are the students who
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going to school either
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to school school, full time,
they're also working full-time.

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And so, they may also have a
wide variety of different social

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demand.
So what do we do for these

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folks?
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Warehouse educational program
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This is why so many of our
students fall behind but what if

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we use AI machine learning, not
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or barred or any of these large
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Because they have they have
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Particularly around this concept
of hallucinations or stochastic

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parroting.
I believe stochastic parroting

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where it will just make stuff up
and people like to see it's no

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good no it's just been released,
it needs to get better.

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So I reckon I want to your
audience to know that it has its

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limitations or what people call
hallucinations, right?

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Or what people call
confabulations where it tries to

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fill in gaps and it will make
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It's no different from Someone
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on a track to fill in the gaps
when your gas and that's what AI

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has been built to, it's a
predictive model, right?

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So it has its issue.
The problem though is that if we

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tell a group of students that we
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houses on the have mores, they
have already benefited from

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years of privilege.
And the one thing that could

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help to equalize the footing,
these students can't use it.

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I have an issue with that, so
there's needs to be some ethics,

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our own data as to when it can
be used, but one thing's are

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sharing with.
My mom is what if we use chat

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GPT or any large language model
as a way of helping kids to

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think critically to build an
organized thought process

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because anyone who liked it for
exactly saves time.

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Exactly.
But don't you feel like Holly,

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don't you feel like it has
forced you to ask better

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questions.
Yeah it's right because You know

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exactly.
Okay, this is where I want to go

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but how do I get there?
You asked this question?

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And then that question leads to
another question and here is it

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your research?
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That's what I'm saying.
What if this we as Educators, we

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use this as an opportunity to
help students how to think,

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critically and to develop
arguments because you know, what

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happens, what happened before
this, you would tell students to

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go do a research and students
will spend Was a pun.

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Oh, was looking.
I'm going down this rabbit holes

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to find information when they
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It's not digested, it's not
synergist, it's not synergized.

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So then, what if we can kind of
speed up and accelerate the

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process of the search and focus
on the critical thinking on how

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to develop persuasive argument
because in many ways, what will

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happen?
And I've said this previously,

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the type of students that we
will likely have based on

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technology.
These are students who have to

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be what we call information
manipulators because we have a

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bevy of information so it's not
like we're producing new

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knowledge every day but what
could help to facilitate

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students to provide and to
create new knowledge is if we

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can accelerate the information
manipulation process so that

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they can learn the theory so
that they can go ahead and

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create an Innovative.
That is the full Focus up.

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The media, Innovation lab
because previously, we've taught

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kids, how to do research.
We are just collecting a whole

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bunch of stuff and put it
together and spit out.

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Some kind of regurgitated,
version of whatever they just

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looked up.
What if we provide it in a more

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synergized way?
And that's kind of what we're

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thinking that Innovation needs
to be.

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It all called point of all
education from elementary all

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the way to professional.
Love it, and that's going to

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happen.
It's going to have to happen.

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It's going to be nice to.
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Absolutely has to absolutely
absolutely through a lot here

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and I can't wait to share this
episode with the audience and

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also, I will put all the
information shared here in the

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show notes.
So you can go grab information

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about The Innovation lab, and
doctors say she has and his

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team.
And what they're all doing.

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I can't thank you enough for
coming on the show.

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It's been fantastic.
Holly this was the most fun I've

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had in a long time.
So thanks to you and your

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