73: Two Ed Tech Gurus "Walk" Into a Zoom Room..., An Innovative Conversation with Leena Marie Saleh, Design Educator at Canva and THE Ed Tech Guru

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Here's what's coming up on this
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I made a decision to leave the
classroom.

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I was just ready for something
new.

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My principal had actually told
me that I was too Innovative but

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I had seen previously.
Yeah, to Innovative.

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That is not a phrase.
You want to say to teachers?

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Hmm, I love talking and tagging
transitioning teachers and

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getting Into the space and
instructional design.

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I just all the things I think
the future of Ed Tech it just

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isn't going away.
I get needs to be embraced.

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It's a challenge to keep lesson
plans, fresh and find new ways

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to engage students from
kindergarten to undergrad.

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Changing up their learning
experience can change.

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Everything.
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to create Dynamic learning

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to life, is your students earn
points and have fun.

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Just for showing what they know
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Hello everyone, and welcome to
another fantastic episode of Ed

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up.
Ed Tech.

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My name is Holly Owens and I'm
your host.

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And today, I am very excited to
have a fellow, Ed tech nerd on

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the show with me.
I have Lena Marie Saleh and

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she's a design, educator.
I canva and she's also known as

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the Ed Tech.
Guru Lena, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so excited.

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I am to because we're going to
get in the all kinds of

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conversations about edtech and
nerd out on attack.

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I love it.
My friend, Lou cops, and we love

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the nerd out instructional
design, but you and I are going

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to nerd out on it Tech.
I love it, I'm so excited.

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So before we jump into all the
things that you're doing a canva

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and being this a tech Guru, why
don't you tell the audience

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about yourself and how you
journeyed into the Ed Tech

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space?
Alright, sure.

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So I taught in the classroom for
about 10 years, my first like,

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real about into the glass room
number walking into my student

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teaching, and the kids were like
in rows and they were just doing

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worksheet after worksheet after
worksheet.

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And I thought to myself, wow,
this looks exactly how I learned

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when I was in the classroom.
So I made this like note to

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myself like this is not what I'm
going to do.

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He was a great educator and he
did really great things but it

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just wasn't what I wanted to do.
So right around like my second

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or third year teaching,
Teaching, I actually started

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teaching at a stem school and
just I started going to like

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anything that I could tech-wise
to like, bring it into my

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classroom.
And so that's kind of how my

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journey into Tech kind of began
and then throughout the years,

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kind of peppered in some of that
edtech presented at conferences

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and started sharing my love of
edtech in the education space

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and then about almost five years
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Now, the can't believe it's been
that long.

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I made a decision to leave the
classroom.

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I was just ready for something
new.

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My principal had actually told
me that I was Innovative well,

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but I had seen previously.
Yeah, I had a Makerspace and I

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had seen kids do all kinds of
stuff like in the Fab Lab and so

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I had actually moved into like
the traditional classroom when I

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moved.
I originally, I'm from Denver,

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and so, when I moved from Denver
to Austin, Texas, I started

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teaching in like, a traditional
school.

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And, and that's where the
teacher told me that I would

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have.
My principal told me that I was

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like, okay, I'm done fighting
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Yes, this is a very uphill
battle, I know it's like, okay,

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I'm I'm going to do this.
So then I started looking into

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Ed Tech and I actually was a
meet-up, organizer of a group

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called a tech, Austin at the
time.

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And we have like 2,500 like
active participant.

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Kind of Mary, the partnership
between Ed Tech in education.

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So I knew there was a space for
teachers in the space and so

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then I started working at a
company called code monkey and

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so I designed their professional
development and did a lot of

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trainings and then about a year
ago I found myself at canva so

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that's kind of a Journey Begins.
Yeah I love that.

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We have a lot in common.
And I've stalked your LinkedIn

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obviously, but we have a lot in
common like I started as a

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teacher and the principal was
like, going to be that Tech

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person.
I'm like okay I'm falling in

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love with it from there but
really that's a great journey.

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I can't believe your principal
said that who's saying that I

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bet she bites herself now.
Yeah, definitely definitely

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least, I hope so too Innovative.
That is not a phrase.

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You want to say to teachers,
hmm, exactly.

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Do you have being in the space
force long as You have been.

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Do you have a favorite
education-related quote that you

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want to share with the audience?
Sure.

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Yeah.
So I actually chose the quote,

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by Malcolm X which is education
is the passport to the Future

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for tomorrow.
I like longs to those who

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prepare for it today.
So I'm just a really big

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advocate of preparing students
for Workforce Readiness which I

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think is what a tech actually
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It actually gives us the tools
to think, critically and

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communicate and all of those
types of things for a Old that

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doesn't exist right now.
Yeah, we're twins.

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They're absolutely at Tech is
the foray into the future of

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things.
And so being, is it that you

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believe those things?
How would you personally?

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Define educational technology?
This is one of my favorite

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questions of the episode.
Such a good question.

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So to personally Define
education technology.

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I think a lot of times teachers,
get a tech, a bit wrong, it is a

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tool meant to enhance the
learning that you're already

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doing.
So instead of doing monotonous,

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grades monotonous pounds of
paper and Grading that way can

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actually enhance the learning
that you're already doing in the

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classroom and I think it takes
away a lot of the work load and

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can be really leverage to really
help.

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Enhance your classroom make
students more engaged.

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And that's what I think about
education technology.

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I don't think about it as them
going to play a video game or

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something like that.
I think about it that it's

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enriching.
All of the things that you're

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doing in the classroom.
And that's just really how I

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Define a Teaching technology, I
like that definition.

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And I remember being a
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This sort of clickers doesn't
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Anymore was called CPS clickers.
And when somebody at the board

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of ed trained me and showed me
that with between Class periods,

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I can give my students a paper
test but they would be answering

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on the clickers.
And then I could transfer the

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grades in five minutes to the
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My life was forever changed,
right?

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Like how cool is that?
How much time does not save you?

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And I also think about it is
when you start actually doing

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like I started Flipping my
classroom like years ago and

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when I started doing that, I was
like, oh my gosh, this is so

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much easier to plan for the next
school year.

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Don't have as much stress as
much anxiety, because

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everything's already there for
you and ready to go.

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And you just have to change and
modify Based on data and Trends

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and those types of things.
But yes, and it just Emanuel in

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this of it all just Fades to the
background which I really love.

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But on the other side of that,
like the students are having fun

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and you're having fun and to me,
that equals learning.

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Exactly.
Yeah.

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Alright.
So we know you're Take a guru.

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You have all the experience you
know all the things but I want

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to know your work, a canva.
So tell us for those people who

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have been living under a rock.
What is canva?

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What products or services does
Campbell author and helping

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institutions, and organizations
and education?

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Yeah, so canva actually has a
camera for Education product,

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which a lot of people tend to
think I still see teachers say

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the same thing but camera for
education is actually free.

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We for all Educators in the kids
space, we have it for

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individually for teachers.
And then also as a whole

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District product and offering.
So everyone in the entire School

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site, talking to your custodial
staff front office staff, your

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students, every single person in
that building can actually have

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access to canva and it's all of
the pro features which is so

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amazing.
And if you don't know what canva

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is, we call it a visual
communication tool.

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So it used to just be you think
of it as going there to design,

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but we like to think of it as a
tool that you can, you can

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utilize in your classroom all
day.

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Every day students can create,
you can collaborate, you can

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communicate with one another and
just enhancing those like

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Workforce 21st century Timeless
skills.

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And then what I do at Campa and
what my team does is we

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basically curate and create the
resources for teachers.

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So for me specifically, I create
the resources that are clc's are

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Campbell learning.
Consultants, will go to the

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schools and deliver trainings on
how to use canva in the

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classroom.
So it could be how to capture

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the Student Learning Journey.
It could be building

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collaboration in whiteboard so
those different pieces and parts

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and that's what we do.
So if anyone's ever interested

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just no camera for education is
free, don't need to pay for it

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and you get all of the pro
features which is so amazing.

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It is so I love the camera.
Does that really speaks a lot

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about the company and how much
they value Educators?

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And, you know, the whole
learning space.

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Absolutely.
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And the founders are actually
they come from like a family of

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Educators and they actually
taught in the higher ed space.

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Them was a history professor.
And then Mel, she actually

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taught at the college level.
So it's, they're just really,

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really passionate about
education.

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Yeah, educators are everywhere.
You know, we're invading the

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space in a good way and heck
instructional design,

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instructional technology, and I
love it because we having so

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much to the table.
Hmm.

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So you work a canvas.
Oh, there's so many different

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questions I want to ask you and
get into.

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This could probably be much
longer podcast.

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But what do you enjoy most?
Most about creating these

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training or learning experiences
for educators and what kind of

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feedback have you gone from
those Educators about how

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they're using canva in the
classroom, it's a challenge to

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keep lesson plans, fresh and
find new ways to engage students

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from kindergarten to undergrad.
Changing up their learning

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experience can change.
Everything Goose, chases the

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original interactive experience
platform to create Dynamic

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learning experiences, create
your experience in just a few

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clicks.
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Jenner choose from an
ever-expanding library of

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Educators.

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Just like you, you can even
reuse experiences for every

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class every year then it's Goose
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While you track live results and
engagement, get creative boost

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collaboration and bring learning
to life as your students earn

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points and have fun.
Just for showing what they know.

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Goose chase experiences are easy
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live Yup.
Your lesson plan visit goose

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It's free to sign up and start

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Hmm, such a good question.

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Oh, I did that on the spot.
I love it on the spot.

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Questions are usually the best
ones.

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So what I love about, what I do
is that this past year alone, we

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actually launched this program
when I came on and we service

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about 21,000 teachers already in
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People who have like attended a

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camp a training and so I just
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for, for a long time.
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that you're designing.
Something and other people are

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using Dang it.
You're seeing the implications

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throughout Twitter and Facebook
Community groups, and people

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just getting so excited about
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The feedback is always camera
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How do we dial it down?
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teachers needs and how can they
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It was two hours and people they

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are so excited.
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O engage in like interacting.
Oh, I can't believe it does this

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and I can't believe it does this
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I can't wait to see if so much
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Oh, I don't have to use this
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that that's feedback that we
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that and kind of knowing where
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content, we do a lot of
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Most like voyeuristic, you know,
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they're not saying, or the
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not knowing that we're in these
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That's just so so insightful.
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biggest like feedbacks.
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listening to people.
That's the best way to kind of

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get your authentic feedback.
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I think they feel like when
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because we already know you're
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give you all the the five stars
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and you're like, seeing how
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they're using with in canva and
you get those specific examples

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as what I really love.
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creating and sharing it just
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link and be like, hey, you can
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I just find that to be so
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it felt like they were just
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before the canvas of the world
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across like repositories and
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canvas has the commons and then
you can pull stuff in from that

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everyone to go like what you're
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Space for K through 12 Educators
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like I can be in my education
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corporate mindset, or I can be
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I'm using canva for are all the
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Exactly.
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to the students.
What I love about canva and

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other rules like that are that
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exactly what you're saying.
Like students can see it.

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They can be like, oh I want to
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I'm going to make a flyer or I I
want to show someone how they

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could build a website.
I just think what you're saying

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for like, what teachers can use
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flip side for students and I
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powerful piece.
Yes.

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And it's not just like, oh,
there's another Ed Tech Tool to

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try, you know, this really
serves a purpose and it's going

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to be something that can span
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be using in the workforce.
It's here, it's going to stay

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and it's going to continue to
evolve to what's happening out

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there with all the different
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Yep, exactly.
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So is there anything you can
share about?

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That you're doing within your
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whole that's for the upcoming
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Don't violate any NVA agreements
also on the Ed Tech Guru side?

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What it, what are some things
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share.
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So for the canvas I'd we have a
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coming.
A lot of things I can't really

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share with you right now, but we
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March.
And last year, we did our first

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ever like live event, where we
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features and tools and things.
And I think, teachers, And just

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regular users are going to be so
excited about some of the things

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that were coming.
Some really cool stuff coming if

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you haven't already done.
So we did release canva docks

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this year and we will be
releasing magic, right?

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Which I don't know if anyone
knows that.

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But basically what I know it now
is it is right?

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And it's basically like chat
GPT, it's basically the same

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sort of functionality seem like
open source software, whatever

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his I don't worry.
Call that open a I open source

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AI ya situation.
Yeah yeah okay so I'll try that

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again.
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I'm going to so many different
words we use as you know and it

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was some Buzz words like these
make sense if we use these

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together.
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So the open source AI is
actually in there.

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So we will be soon releasing
magic right to users was just

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trying to figure out the best
way to do that and so teachers

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also feel safe in the space, but
if you haven't already checked

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that out, I definitely recommend
it as it is.

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Table for a pro and all the
other ones just kind of turned

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off her education right now but
it's amazing.

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It's so cool.
It is so cool.

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I love it so much.
So Ed Tech Guru area.

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What are you doing?
What are you working on one or

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some projects and things you
have going on there.

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So we are going to myself.
I'm going to continue.

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I've done some like teacher
transition expert Series this

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year about how teachers can
transition out of the space and

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talk with industry experts and
actually Holly is going to be a

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guest star as well.
So look out for that soon.

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And then So just talking a
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more of the Ed Tech side on.
I haven't done much with like

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diving into like the edtech part
but a lot of like focusing on

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like how you can use canva and
how you can do different pieces

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and parts of that this year.
So I'm really excited about

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that.
And what's kind of on the

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Forefront for that?
It's going to be fun.

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And there's going to be so many
people there that we get to

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connect with.
And I can't wait.

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I love talking edtech and
transitioning, teachers, and

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getting into this space and
instructional design.

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I just all the things Things.
It's so much fun and it's the

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time people that I talk to
they're like really intimidated

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by the space.
I'm like oh no.

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Like you are welcome here and
you're going to excel in this

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space 100%.
Yeah.

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And I think just once you take
like to say like a no thank you.

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Taste of like exploring the
world of it attack the skills

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that you learn in one program
they kind of change but they are

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transferable.
So I has that's the important

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thing to remember.
Absolutely.

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All right so we're coming up.
On the end of the episode here

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and I know you're going to have
to come back because we need to

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talk more canva and Ed Tech
stuff.

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Is there anything else that
you'd like to share before we

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conclude and then I want to know
from you being the Ed Tech Guru

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and this is a lot of pressure.
What does the future of edtech?

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Look like anything that we
missed you want to share and

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what does the future look like?
As far as anything we missed.

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I don't really think so.
I think we've covered quite a

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bit of different things.
I guess I've mentioned this

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before but just always, always
always try to take a no, thank

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you, taste of at Tech.
I think if you don't like one

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tool, then try another and
whenever you do find one, just

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hone in on that one and get
really good at it.

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Like, don't try to do 10 at Tech
tools, all at once.

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I agree.
I agree.

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This diagram overwhelming.
Uh-huh.

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Yeah.
And you just will be, you're

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just just you just won't do it.
So I think it's important to

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just take one breathe and go
through it.

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Yeah.
And then for your question

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about, what does the future of
Ed Tech look?

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Like I think we're going to
start to see a I really start to

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play a really big pivotal role
in edtech and whether that's on

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the front side or whether that's
more.

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So in the back side we already
have a lot of the AI integrated

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already on the back side of
things.

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I think it's going to play a
bigger role on the front side,

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but I think the future of Ed
Tech Just isn't going away.

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I get needs to be embraced.
So, I think we've seen bits and

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pieces of people, kind of making
a little bit of change.

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Has it the pandemic, but I'm
hoping that the future AKA this

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next year.
People really start to embrace

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it a bit more and bring it into
their classrooms and not think

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of it as another thing, but
think about it as the place for

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delivery.
And the thing that's going to

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make your life easier and it's
way easier to personalize

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students.
Learning by using and leveraging

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these at Tech tools.
Yes, I love what you said and I

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know where you're going that
because there's so much

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resistance out there.
Still even post pandemic, like

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people wanting to go back to
like old ways of doing things

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that aren't necessarily
effective.

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Based on Research, I love the
direction in which a lot more

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people because the pandemic
happened are embracing a tech

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which it's about time is long
overdue, right?

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Absolutely. % Melina, I can't
thank you enough for taking the

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time to come on the show.
And speaking to our audience,

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about all the wonderful things
you're doing in canva being a

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tech, Guru sharing all that
information, everything in the

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show notes about Lena is going
to be there, including canva

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where to find your own LinkedIn.
So make sure you go there and

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thanks for coming on.
Thank you so much for having me.

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I really enjoyed you and can't
wait to share this with your

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audience, me, too.
You've just experienced an

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another amazing episode.
So Dove Ed up edtech.

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Be sure to visit our website at
Ed up, edtech.com to get all the

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updates on the latest edtech
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See you next time.