65: Immersive Learning Experiences with Award-Winning Producer and Founder of Meridian Treehouse, Wesley "Wes" Della Volla

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Hello everyone, and welcome to

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another fantastic episode of Ed
up.

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Ed Tech.
My name is Holly Owens and I'm

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your host.
And I'm super pumped today about

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the guest that I have on the
show.

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His name is Wesley, Della woola
and he is the founder and

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executive producer of Meridian
Treehouse.

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So Leslie.
Welcome to the show.

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Hi, thanks for having me very
excited to chat with you today

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about immersive learning and all
the fun opportunities that are

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there to really spark some crazy
excitement about learning.

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So yeah, I'm excited to do this.
Absolutely.

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I'm so glad we were able to find
the time to finally meet and

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talk about all the wonderful
things.

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So the first thing we want to
know and tell us about your

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journey, tell us about yourself
and how you got into this Ed

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Tech space.
So Ed Tech space, a fun and

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Unexpected Journey.
He's definitely one of the best

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ways to describe it.
I started my career, nonfiction

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storytelling science
communication really using my

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skills as a Storyteller to help
scientist translate what they're

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talking about so that everyone
could enjoy it, understand it,

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connect with it and hopefully in
the end do something with the

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knowledge.
They had gained for 15 years

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off.
And on I was at National

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Geographic in Washington DC
where I was a filmmaker and

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worked on the Natural History.
Programming.

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So, that's animal programming.
I was fortunate enough to work

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on a project that won the Emmy
Award for investigative

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journalism.
Congratulations.

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That's awesome.
Thank you.

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I was part of a very, very, very
talented team.

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And my job was most importantly
to make, sure everyone got back

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safe.
We had our team in a war zone.

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In DRC, stem aquatic, Republic
of Congo and then from that

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point on continue to work in TV
production, from being a

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production manager, working my
way up to then actually working

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in textbooks where I was
developing new.

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Media and ways of Storytelling
for an age-old product for

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National Geographic, learning
and cengage.

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And my last roll National
Geographic.

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I was the director of Live
Events and experiences so there

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was taking scientists and
bringing them into Live Events

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and creating programming that
people wanted to go see in

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person and interact with these
amazing humans, that are far

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smarter than I am, no matter
what room I was in.

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I was never the smartest person
in the room, so it was always

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learning something.
It was an amazing place to be.

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And while there I bed, the team
that built The world's largest

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permanent virtual reality
theater that was 450 Oculus.

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Go headsets that were
remote-activated synchronized

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playback in.
Perfect tandem with a speaker on

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stage media, on a giant screen
and the sound system in the

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theater and that was a way to
bring the world to life in a way

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that had never been done before.
And being able to do that was

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definitely a if not the high
point of my career at No.

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Geographic to open this whole
new way to connect with people

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who want to learn about their
world and make it easier for

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them to access places.
We may never be able to get to

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go but end up winning the Webby
Award for best VR interaction

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design.
I happen to beat small companies

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like Google, Facebook, and apple
small companies and HBO I think

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was somewhere in there.
But ultimately the wards that

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the whole matter what matters is
that we are able to bring in

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3,000 people throughout its run
before covid-19.

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To take them to places, they
could never otherwise go and

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watching People's Energy just
when they got to travel to these

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places and then the questions
they asked and how excited they

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were to learn more was exactly
what I do this and so that's how

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I found my mouth, you can't see
me but my mouth was dropped wide

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open.
When you said what you said

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about the synchronization and
going places.

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I was like whoa, this is intense
but awesome.

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Yeah and so my entire career has
been trying to connect people

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with the world and help them
learn more about it, but I was

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doing it.
The screens and now we got to

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change that up and have people
in person, but also go there.

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And so now with Meridian
Treehouse, which was founded

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right after the covid.
Hit, we continued my tradition

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and my team's tradition of
making these great experiences.

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No matter the platform to
connect people with each other,

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in their world and learn
something along the way.

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And in that process, we helped
launch Instagram.

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Small Banks business
functionality at the start of

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the pandemic.
We went on to do the first of

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its kind virtual non
location-based shared Is

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immersive reality experience.
We had a virtual dive to plow

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led by a scientist dr.
Erica Woolsey that people were

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able to join in from around the
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We had people on four continents
and countries diving in real

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time.
At the same time with us in a

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headset, they had, if they had
it at home, any headset.

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It also went on to win,
technical Achievement Award.

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We've kept going since then
we're an official partner for

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The Meta immersive learning
fund, where we created a white

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paper that has been supported by
Harvey.

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Graduate School of Education and
the Smithsonian institute's

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educational units.
That was a guide to learning in

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the metaverse to help everyone
understand the difference

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between all the various
immersive reality.

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It was incredible to do that,
and we got to build a exhibition

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for the Smithsonian arts and
industries.

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Building was the first
Smithsonian where the moon rocks

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and the command modules from the
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First, went on display for the
public.

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So, in that same space, we got
to take people to the Moon, in a

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VR experience, built on,
archival photos and audio.

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So you literally stood where the
Apollo Astronauts did as they

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explored the moon for the first
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So cool.
What a journey you've had and it

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was a long list that was a long
story.

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I hope they told it way that
people can understand, but it's

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there's so much in but it's so
much good stuff that needs to be

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shared.
And I'm glad you're on the show

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today, highlighting, all of
this, because, you know, I feel

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like sometimes he's things
aren't put on display as much as

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they should be and like what
you're doing.

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So, I'm really excited.
Good, that you're here.

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I'm very excited to be here.
A good to sneak peek of your

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next question and I would have
to want to jump in and answer

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it.
Yeah, absolutely.

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So favorite educational quote or
anybody else?

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You want to shout out?
I want a shout out in.

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This is this is someone I have
shut it out from the stage.

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Every chance I get every right
up, I've ever had Kristie marks.

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She was my TV teacher in high
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I wouldn't have this life.
I have it out her.

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I want to be an architect.
Since I was five.

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Still love it.
I play with Legos all the time.

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I'm that adult life.
A fan.

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I was in her TV class, my junior
year in high school and she just

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threw a camera in my hand, a
script in my hand and haven't

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stopped since then.
So it's thanks to one teacher.

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Who really, really saw what I
could do and cultivated that and

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help me feel successful in it
that it was able to do the

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career.
I have now.

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We love Christian haters.
Yeah.

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So Kristie marks, it's thanks to
her.

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It's all her fault.
That's amazing.

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And I'm so glad that you had
that experience.

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I love Educators.
I used to be an educator, but

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just thanking them, they see
something.

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Being in you sometimes you don't
see in yourself and it sounds

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like that's what happened.
That's awesome.

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Absolutely, and I think her
every chance I get.

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I love that.
I'm sure she does as well.

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So, tell us your journey and to
all these different phases and

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awards and different things.
How would you personally?

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Define educational technology.
I have a feeling, I'm going to

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be much broader than others.
And that educational technology.

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Its tools that help you learn
the best you possibly can.

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Best way you possibly can a lot
of times that involves not

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getting it right on the first
try because that's technology.

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You're always innovating and
changing it is the tools that

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help you solve a problem.
I think at one time when you

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consider the Abacus of
educational technology, it was

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brand new and no one knew what
it was.

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I look back to my ding, a
student, you know, films film

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strips, where were edtech that
we're going to take the loot

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World, NVR an immersive right
now.

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Is that the phase where it can
be, just depends what happens

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next.
Absolutely, I don't love that

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broad definition to because it
encompasses so many different

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areas and inside outside the
classroom and corporate and

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education.
You really can speak to a lot of

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different things but I love
asking that question because I

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get a different answer.
Every single time, I definitely

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think education technology is
not limited to the classroom.

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In fact it often is most percent
most useful outside of it.

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Yes absolutely.
So let's get into all the

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details about Meridian
Treehouse.

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Tell us about Out it describe
it.

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You started describing it as get
excited.

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I was like there's going to be
more here.

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So tell us about the product and
describe how you help

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institutions and organizations
in education.

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Yeah, outside of education.
So Meridian Treehouse has had a

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few words change in and out in
the past few years about what it

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actually is.
But what's always been at the

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core is nonfiction storytelling
and experience Innovation.

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And our ultimate goal has always
been to Foster curiosity.

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And when we think about our
partners, And who wants to

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engage with us?
We are very clear, this is your

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home for imagination, the name
Meridian Treehouse comes from

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that feeling of, you know, when
you're a kid, a treehouse, it's

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the place you can go and be and
do anything you want as an

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adult.
We lose that sometimes and I

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wanted to create a space where
you have fun.

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You want to go there, you want
to be curious but you also don't

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want to kind of do it aimlessly.
So Meridian is an important,

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guiding geographical term and
having those two things

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together.
It was a thoughtful way to

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Foster curiosity and that's what
we focus on.

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Using new technology making
Partnerships that normally

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wouldn't happen and really just
kind of thinking out of the

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confines of traditional learning
and ways of telling stories.

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So we have a lot of fun thinking
up, new ways to push technology,

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and looking back on our two and
a half years.

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There was a short window in the
May of 2020, where we knew more

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about what Instagram live could
do functionally.

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Then anyone in the, in the world
maybe outside of meta and maybe

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even inside of At our Facebook
Instagram at the time because we

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push the platform so far and we
continue to do that.

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Now, I was once told by
Facebook, we couldn't connect

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more than 50 headsets and then I
did 450 and we did 180 at the

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Smithsonian.
That's what we offer.

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people in the room, is there
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rare credible, resources and
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I'm from interdisciplinary
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a product but it's free that is
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Please do I'll send anything
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I want to be able to share this
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why it's my favorite product.
This is meant to be shared.

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Where'd this is your guide to
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What is the metaverse?
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My favorite project.
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this ecosystem of Ed Tech and
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I still a very surface level
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step into.
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especially to like with edtech.
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technology in general.
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on, and I think about how a lot
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work and being at National
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I was using not the smartest one
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one of the countless phds.
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with them where time there, but
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PhD is like no knowledge is a
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of that bubble.
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tiny bubble, that's where you
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When you're getting your PhD and
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become part of that bubble and
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knowledge of humanity and you
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colleagues.
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Many of us are learning things
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You can't know everything.
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brought up and I'm in this
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understand it and that's not
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that greater knowledge for me.
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Yeah, we're on the next
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You're doing a great job.
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of this and then the last
question before I love it, I

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hope I don't live up to like the
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patients or doctors or the worst
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So, think about like the year
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enough to be able to give a
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Lecturer through the University
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really excited to share more
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side of what we do and what's
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But beyond that, we're talking
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more opportunities to bring the
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the stories that we are telling
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people.
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end-of-the-year trying to plan
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it's everything from educational
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to Organizations and
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of focused on science and
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what may come up next.
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a lot of things that are up in
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That's a great thing.
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up next we are still going to be
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which is nonfiction storytelling
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All with the goal to help you
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learn more.
It's the ultimate excitement

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machine and a lot of people say
empathy, but for me, it's that

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excitement.
People want to learn so fear.

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The year ahead is continuing to
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New ways of doing that refining,
the theater experience that

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shared synchronized immersive
reality experience and bringing

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it to as many people as we can.
The goals are to continue that

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work in connect with as many
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proponent and supporter of all
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Good that immersive learning
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I love it.
Sounds like something I need to

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be involved in at some point and
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What I want to ask you.
We have two final questions

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here, rapping Episode.
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shared with me before we chatted
about some of your other

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endeavors that you teach and do
other things.

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So do you want to talk of just a
little bit about those?

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Before we go to the final two
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Sure.
So long with running Meridian,

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treehouse with my incredible
team, my core team Celeste,

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Harrison, and Christina Ballard.
I also am an adjunct lecturer at

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Georgetown University where I
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of the core Pathways program.
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the core Pathways program is
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Future of Education.
Like right now I'm talking about

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VR and edtech but that's not the
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There is, how do you teach even
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But how you create lessons or
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information in courses that help
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subject area?
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group called The Red House which
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incubator for shaping, a new
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So we're trying to expand on,
high-impact practices,

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especially at Georgetown that
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What's the frontier of
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Innovation.
And so I'm teaching two courses

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entire program focuses on
climate change, and my two

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classes that are part of it,
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and then climate action.
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story and then how do you
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social science to make sure that
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No matter who you're talking to
you being an adjunct lecturer

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Georgetown?
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is really been a wonderful way
to continue innovating, but not

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just focusing on technology.
Balaji what's the instruction?

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What's the way of creating
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And a cohort of students to help
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subject from multiple angles?
Where I'm also there I'm an

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angle heart fellow.
So looking at how we do all that

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but also be mindful of our
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you're teaching the heart, the
whole body, have you keep your

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mind in good shape from an end
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While you're also trying to
learn and balance your life and

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all the other responsibilities,
you have and taking that into

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account and how you learn.
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part of that this fall.
I was also a resident immersive

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experience innovation.
You're at the Harvard.

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I lab with my partner.
Jason Haggard, who I got to meet

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as a guest lecturer at the
Harvard Graduate School of

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Education.
So there's a lot of things I've

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been able to do in the past few
years that I wasn't sure we're

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ever going to happen.
But with this beginning of

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Meridian Treehouse, I've been
able to really expand into the

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areas that make me really feel
enriched and add value to my

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life and I hope I can pass that
same energy back to those, I'm

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interacting with.
So I've been able to be the

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board of directors for to
nonprofits the hydrous who I

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work closely with for a lot of
our X's.

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And then sharks Pacific, which
is a fantastic shark

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conservation organization that
looks at the line between humans

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and sharks and how to really
limit that conflict that can

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come out of that meeting point.
So I get to work with incredibly

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talented and women scientists
who are leading their own

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nonprofits and supporting them
in their Endeavors, to make the

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world a little bit better.
I'm a lucky person.

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I get to be boiled.
I wonder when you sleep.

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That's what I'm thinking right
now.

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Well, I will guarantee you it
is.

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Usually usually between 12:00
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still wake up most every day
without an alarm at 5:30 5:45

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goodness, trained early to do
that in a haven't been able to

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break.
It was really painful when I was

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a DJ because I'd be up till 3:00
and then still wake up at 7 a.m.

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ready to go.
Oh no, but that's another

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podcast.
That's definitely another

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podcast for another day.
Work-life, balance the correct

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amount of sleep.
I want us to jump into the

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future now, just from your
perspective and all of these

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experiences, what does the
future of Tech look like see the

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future of Ed Tech starts to look
more and more seamless.

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I'm saying seamless in that?
It's going to feel like more and

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more part of the world were
already in.

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As technology becomes smaller
faster cheaper.

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It's going to become part of our
lives in ways that we could

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never imagine and wouldn't have
imagined before 2007.

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When the iPhone launched.
Yeah, think back. 2007 my gosh

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that's when I graduated college.
Yeah, 15 years.

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I was already out of college.
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But how has the world changed?
In certain, how much more is

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technology integrated into our
lives?

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And for very good in Fort, not
so good.

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Sometimes to, I think, Ed Tech
is going to keep doing the same

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can become seamless.
We are working with our partner.

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The hydrous we've developed with
them and added to learning kits

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that are full multimodal
experiences that integrate

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immersive and oftentimes are
centered on the immersive, but

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allow scaffolding and
platforming around it that

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brings in a are as well.
But then models that are made

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from the AR but traditional
things like a journal or Card

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games or board games.
Integrating all the ways you can

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learn about a subject to teach
different parts of it but also

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excite you in different ways.
Keep you stimulated, but they

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all fit seamlessly.
So my history is being a

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Storyteller.
That was platform-agnostic was

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used to telling stories on every
platform and thinking about how

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every platform would use part of
what I created to tell a bigger

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story.
And that was uniquely able to do

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that at Nat Geo because it was,
you know, every platform there

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was National Geographic from a
magazine to TV to everything in

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between A great place to
experiment and learn to how to

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do that very well.
And we've been able to continue

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doing it and that's the future.
It's going to be seamless.

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It's going to be integrated and
really be a better way to learn

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for everyone.
Absolutely and immersive.

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I love the term immersive.
I know it's way overused but in

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certain conversations it's
really well done and especially

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this one.
So Wesley I cannot thank you

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enough for coming on and talking
about Meridian Treehouse and all

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the things.
I mean, all the things that you

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have done and sharing that with
The audience, everything about

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you and Meridian Treehouse is
going to be in the show notes.

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So audience go there, check it
out.

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And thanks again.
No, thank you for having me.

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It was really wonderful to meet
you.

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And share a little bit about the
corner of the education.

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Ed Tech world.
Of course, the last sense, my

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dog has to make an appearance.
We love her babes.

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They can come on.
Yeah, Stanley's down here,

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scratching his collar, making
some noise.

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Make Us an amazing run.
A mean in the end education has

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to be fun and exciting and I
wake up every day even After

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four hours of sleep, really
excited to do this work and I

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don't want to stop doing it.
So I'm really excited for it and

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thank you for having me and
being a part of this.

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And always anyone who does you
know, listen to this.

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Once the follow-up reach out to
Meridian Treehouse, you can grab

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us on Instagram, at reading
Treehouse.

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You can also go to our website
and there's a form to like catch

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up with us.
So we're happy to answer

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questions and explore.
How we can all make this

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immersive seamless education.
Future come to life.

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Absolutely fantastic.
Well, thank you.

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Thank you.
Have a great one you too.

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You've been listening to another
episode of Ed up edtech with

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your host, Holly Owens.
You can follow Holly on

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LinkedIn.
You can also visit her website

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at Jolly, Holly .me to find out
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host, Holly Owens.
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host, Holly Owens.