64: The Main Bird Behind it All and the Flock that Makes it Fly, A Quacktastic Chat with Andrew Cross, CEO and Founder of Goosechase

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Hello everyone and welcome to

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another amazing episode of add
up, Ed Tech, my name is Holly

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Owens and I'm your host.
And today we have a repeat, Ed

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Tech Tool, but we have a
brand-new, guess it is Andrew

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cross and he is the founder and
CEO of goose.

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Chase Andrew.
Welcome to the show.

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Thanks Holly I'm excited to be
here.

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I'm really excited to talk to
you.

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And you know talk more about
goose And what you been up to?

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It's been almost a year since we
talked about goose, chase on

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oedipa Tech.
So before we jump into that, I

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want to know more about your
journey into the space.

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So tell us how did you get
started?

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Everybody's Road seems to be
pretty windy when it comes to Ed

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Tech, but we want to know your
story.

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So let the audience know what
your journey has been.

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Like, yeah, you're pretty
spot-on.

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So it's a windy one.
So I back in University, I

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studied mechanical engineering
and I kind of laugh now because

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at High School Cool.
I said, that's what I was going

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to do and people kind of looked
at me, like you're doing what,

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because I was really
mechanically inclined or

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anything like that.
Interesting.

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And sure enough I got into it
and I like, I like some of the

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stuff but there's some parts
that just weren't resonating

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with me.
And, you know, I could force

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myself through some of the
stuff, but the, the joy, it just

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wasn't there for me.
And after an internship at a

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company where, when I started I
was like, that's it, I made it.

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This is where I'm going to be
for the rest of my life

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surprised.
I didn't actually like it that

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much so I can't.
A new idea to mix it up at that

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point.
And I actually, for my last

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internship took a job at an act
development shop in Toronto, and

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I just loved it.
So, apparently software is what

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I needed all along, because the,
the quick iteration Cycles, you

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know, the speed of it, all
actually really, really

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resonated with me.
And it was after that, that I

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went to in entrepreneurship
focused residence for my final

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semester at University and
that's actually where goose,

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chase started.
So goose chase a story and my

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story actually start in the
education world.

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Old.
And ironically our first

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customer was actually going to
the University of Waterloo as

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well so I'm pretty much every
single way.

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My journey in Goose chases
Journey come from an education

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kind of focus background.
They wanted to use it for an

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onboarding experience but not
exactly classroom learning but

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it's pretty funny.
How many different ways?

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You know, my journey and the
roundabout, the the detours, all

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kind of go through an education
world and took us a little while

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to go beyond the university
orientation weeks.

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We were used for team building
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As well.
But we actually worked with Phil

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Everson early on and his mom and
sister were teachers.

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So it really kind of the through
line of Education, really is

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there throughout most of the
journey and a lot of different

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ways which is really quite cool.
And I got to say the education

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space, I've been probably some
of the vote most vocal users of

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the most engaged users through.
No, not not.

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Say all right.
Yeah.

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I know.
I know, I can, I can kind of

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figure on that one.
Yes.

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Yes, it's been kind of cool.
Honestly, the whole way through

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its It's there's been a lot of
an edu Focus even though we

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aren't you necessarily only in
the education space but it's a

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pretty dominant story line
throughout as well.

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And that's what I love about.
Goose chases, the versatility of

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it and not just being something
education, but I can do really

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great things in education.
So I want to know from you.

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Do you have any sort of
educational related quotes or

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quotes in general that motivate
you or is anyone along the path

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that you want to shout out?
Helped you, and you can do both

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or you can do one or the other
totally up to you.

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Yeah.
So one thing that I didn't

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actually know the formal quote
for a long time and I think it's

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Einstein's, maybe it's once you
stop learning, you start dying,

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which sounds really really
morbid.

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But for me I wake up and I'm so
focused on learning.

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Like we've done our four-day
Work Week here and I find a wake

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up on Fridays and I'm like,
cool.

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What can I learn today about
random stuff?

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So it's something that very
relevant to To me, as soon as I

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stop learning, I can start
getting bored.

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So maybe that I would tweak it
to be once you stop learning get

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bored just to make it not so
morbid but yeah that that's a

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good modification.
Yeah a great modification.

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Yeah you know but also as you
grow older that that kind of

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mortality comes into play and my
grandmother.

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She actually you reminded me of
something.

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She tells us all the time she's
81 years old, she still Bowl,

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she just very active and she
tells us all Time.

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She's like, I'm not getting old
because once I stop moving, I'm

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getting old.
There you go.

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Exactly it, actually.
So my grandmother used to go for

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a walk every single morning, and
so I think probably they grew up

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with the same belief system or
whatever that might be.

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So yeah, I think that's it.
And you know, I also think Gus

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about who inspired me and I'm
very oriented to learn by doing.

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I never understood people who
could just kind of listen to

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something and then they
understand everything about it

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and thinking back about my
education.

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Ocean.
I remember those a few teachers

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that went above and beyond like
we had a competition and

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something physics class where we
built cardboard boats, and we

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paddled them erase across the
pool and things that I can

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remember.
So vividly compared to really

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not remembering that much else
from the class and massive Kudos

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an appreciation for the
teachers, who kind of went above

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and beyond for me there to give
me a little bit more of a

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visceral interactive experience.
And it's so funny for me saying

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that now, Because it's only
relatively recently about even

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connected the dots that goose
chase is all about interactive

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experiences and learning that
way.

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Like of course, this is what I
end up working in because this

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is what I remember, this is my
learning style so I think it's

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kind of a interesting learning
for me there but also huge thank

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you for, you know, my teachers,
who did that little bit of extra

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effort to provide a more
engaging and enjoyable learning

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opportunity for me?
Yeah, definitely years later.

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You're still remembering that
activity now and that's An

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educator can ask for really is
that the students remember that

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will that moment they can relate
it back and your journey is.

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So interwoven into education, it
sounds like you've had a great

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journey there.
Before we get into your

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definition, I absolutely love
the goose chase.

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I'm completely biased towards
it.

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I'm going to admit that on there
because it's one of my top.

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Favorite Ed Tech tools recently,
we use goose chase at Amazon all

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site and we had a blast and most
of the people that I work with,

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they didn't know.
Got it and I'm like, this is you

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guys this is a thing.
Like, you can have fun

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activities with your friends.
I'm like, you can.

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This is not just a professional
thing, it can be a personal

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thing.
It can be, do it with your

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family kind of thing.
So I want to shout that out that

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this product is just so diverse
and I'll stop there.

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I have more for later.
So I just can't help, but I love

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it so much and I know the
audience knows when I start

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going off in a tangent or like I
can tell Holly's, really biased

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to this and I'm sorry, but I am,
it's just a thanks.

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Joseph, he called it, you Advice
of friends.

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I think it's very good.
Yeah, fully owning my bias right

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now and I love it.
So being that you're this great

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CEO and your founder of goose
chase, how would you personally

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Define educational technology.
Yeah, it's a good question and I

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think my definition is maybe a
little bit more on the generic

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side at least at a high level.
But for me educational

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technology is just technology
that creates Better Learning

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outcomes at the end of the day.
And ideally it's making people's

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lives easier and more enjoyable
as we go about doing that.

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I think just better learning
outcomes on its own, without any

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kind of fun along the way, still
effective.

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But, you know, were kind of a
fun car.

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Restore feel like we're only
doing half the job but for me,

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if there's a Better Learning
outcomes in some shape or form

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that's being created or
facilitated through technology,

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that's like a perfect definition
of that.

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I think can be on both sides
ideally, where the educator and

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the student benefit but even if
it's just one side of the other

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that somehow leads towards that
better outcome I think it's a

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big one there.
That's a great definition, a lot

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of people like I love this
question but I don't know how to

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explain it.
And for me if somebody asked me

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that question I I'd probably
just talk for like 10 minutes

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because there's so many
different components of it, but

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I loved how you just took it to
that top level.

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That was a really great General,
but yet specific definition of

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Ed Tech, love it.
All right, so for anybody in the

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audience, who has not heard
about goose, chase or have see

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my LinkedIn posts or have
participated in an activity that

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I do with goose.
Chase with my learner's.

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Can you tell us what is goose,
chase.

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What kind of product is it in?
And how you help institutions,

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and organizations and education
and anywhere else.

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Yeah, absolutely.
So goose chase is a platform

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that enables Educators and
school administrators to create

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interactive experiences for
their students and their wider

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School communities looking just
at the classroom Goose, chases

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essentially the opposite of
traditional teaching methods,

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instead of a teacher lecturing
to a class.

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Goose, chase enables, this
two-way conversation between the

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educator and the learner that as
I mentioned before, just happens

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to be a ton of fun.
And honestly, from our

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perspective, The fun is the
essential part.

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I think when you are having fun,
you're engaging with the

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content.
When you're engaging with the

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content you're learning and
you're remembering it retaining,

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the content.
And our experience is really do.

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Encourage students to get in
there identify with what's going

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on, you know, show what they
know it can be through our text

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based answers, create a photos
and videos, which are my

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personal favorite because you
can actually let the kind of

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creative juices run wild.
That was our final so they are

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you probably have With the
Amazon event.

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Recent yes, yes we incorporated
all different types of fun

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things.
Yeah, and we have location

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check-ins as well.
Which I do aren't used maybe as

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frequently, but I think leverage
they can be pretty powerful as

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well, combined with the other
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So she in the edu world at the
end of the day, it's all about

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giving students, these like
immersive, Active Learning

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experiences.
I've already mentioned up a

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little bit biased to these
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we don't really we both have
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Let's see.
Yeah, there we go.

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You're in a safe space here.
Thank you.

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I appreciate it, but I think it
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your attention and understanding
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just a pure education, whether
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there's so many different ways
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I really think that you're what
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and learning like that's, you
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fun and the students are having
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that's the times in the
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most and the assessment scores
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that I don't like standardized
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consequence.
That positive consequence of

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having fun and learning and
experience that they got loved

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it because who wants to like you
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I can't sit and listen to a
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It's like it's in one ear and
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Like I might retain a little bit
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the list.
Owners if that's their preferred

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method of learning.
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me.
I'm like, you, I have to play

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with the tool.
I have to interact with it.

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I have to have a model and then
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So, that's something to be said,
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people who have to learn that
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part of why it's so fun for us
to do what we do and that we're

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literally giving people the
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experiences for other people.
Like it doesn't really get that

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much better than that from our
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And obviously you know, creating
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experiences is perhaps even more
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we're creating leverage or
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in the world and create positive
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Like that's awesome.
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I absolutely love it.
And I kind of wish goose, chase

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was around when I was a teacher
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because I totally would have
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It, oh my gosh, it would have
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using it with grad students so
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I get to use it now, thank you
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people will go out and check out
goose chase because it is so

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much fun.
Now one thing I do have to ask

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We do.
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How is that working?
Because I know a lot of people

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in the Ed Tech sector, they work
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the weekends and how is your
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overall productivity?
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misconception that if you have a
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you people that extra day on the
weekend, that productivity might

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decrease.
Definitely in the states were

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always like you work all the
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So how's that working out?
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passionate about because I'm
someone who can go full out for

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a little bit and then I stopped
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I feel like we're Twins and I
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we're twins.
I'm the same way, but I got into

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the the workplace and do my
method of doing work or whatever

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it was before, it was very much
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to make it work for me and do
much of it was just being

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present at a certain place in
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focused on me actually getting
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needed to get done and it always
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took me a while I guess maybe to
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Where it's saying okay let's
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You know the time spent in our
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and focus on just getting the
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and I would say it's not this
magic bullet that you start the

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four-day week and there's
confetti cannons and everything

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going.
Right left and Center it takes

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really there wasn't.
I know it kind of me too.

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It's it requires more
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I would say you need to make
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on and when you're off your off,
otherwise you can get into this

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weird hybrid Zone
customer-facing, roles, there's

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a little bit more creativity
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still work in a 5-day week
businessweek world so there's

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more creativity but at the end
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where we want it to be.
It's the same if not better than

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before.
You know on average across the

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board.
You know the mental freshness

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that the team has is way way
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We better especially Monday
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morning dread anymore just
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work and I get to do my thing,
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back fresh.
So I would strongly recommend

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it.
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where people have creative work
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into it, do their work and then
they can kind of step out.

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Obviously some rolls, maybe not
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really think if people have
discipline to be on and do

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really good work and then In
fact it's a really powerful tool

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when organization.
Yeah, I think so too.

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And I agree with you because it
feels like when Friday comes and

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you're off work at like five
honestly my clock is like done

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by 3:00 4:00 on Friday like I'm,
that's it.

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Yeah.
But it is generous for some

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people, you know, it's to make
it to three or four is pretty

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good on Friday, right?
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And I commend myself for, you
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far and just doing like little
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Like Monday.
So I don't see them over the

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weekend, but I can just imagine
how your team feels.

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They feel refreshed and
recuperate because Friday comes

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in, it's like, oh my gosh, it's
Sunday afternoon and you know, a

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lot of people talk about the
Sunday scare.

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He's only been like going back.
Like everybody dreads Mondays,

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but it sounds like your team is
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Yeah.
Yeah it really is.

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It's nice to see people excited
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It really is.
That's good and I bet there's

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there's a lot of great
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Like Mondays like I'm just
starting to get my traction and

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I don't know the listeners how
you all can relate.

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Like it takes me about two
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There's like this bell curve of
like productivity and I made an

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infographic one time.
Holly's productivity bell curve

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him like Wednesdays and
Thursdays were like at the top

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it goes up Monday Tuesday's and
then it's going down, Thursday

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Friday.
That's interesting.

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I'm curious what the average
person to be like that.

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Feeling that that's not
something I like that.

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Yeah I just love that.
You're doing that for your team

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and and creating that type of
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Thank you.
Appreciate ya.

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Alright, so last time Joe and
Eric were on the show, like I

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said, episode 7 and that was
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2021, but released in March.
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So what's happened in the past
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map for the upcoming year, share
anything, you're the founder and

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the CEO.
So you can violate India is not

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get in trouble, right?
I was going to say the first

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thing off the toppings, you
know, we do try to find the

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right balance of giving people
Vision into where we're trying

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to go but also to make sure our
product team is covered.

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We don't commit to certain
deadlines or specific features

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because so much of what we do is
Generation based and we learn

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what works, what doesn't work,
and then change.

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So, in order to be flexible
going forward, we do kind of

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approach it that way.
I would say a lot of the last

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year has been about building out
our foundation and that's kind

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of across the board.
So we come from a more,

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scavenger hunt, based background
and going forward were kind of

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relaxing.
A lot of the rules that the

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platform is built on to allow
more flexible experiences, going

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forward and just inherently a
lot of that is like work under

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the surface to build, a more
kind of flexible platform for

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everything that we're trying to
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You'll notice we've Put your
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refresh going forward.
So a lot of it is actually

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perfect.
Definitely noticed that as a

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bias.
Yeah, goose chase.

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I'd notice all those changes.
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So it's it's sometimes a bit
unglamorous to be like, well,

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we're building out the
foundation but at the same time

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we'd been around for ten plus
years and we want to be around

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for a lot longer.
So this last year was very much

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building out our team flushing
out the foundation, the kind of

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unsung stuff that provides the
keys going forward.

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And then now that we're kind of
looking into 2023, what we got

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is, Homemade focuses that were
really dialed in on.

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So, the first focus is that
we're building out first ever

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Community focused on interactive
experiences exclusive

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exclusively.
So this is honestly something

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people have been asking out for.
I want to say our entire

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existence but we have these
creators across the board

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education and otherwise who are
just so motivated and energized

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that they want to learn from
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They want to become inspired.
They want to connect with each

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other.
So our goal is community is for

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Amal Community is really to
provide a space for you all that

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learning and sharing and
teaching to happen.

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And part of this is we really
want to see ourselves as

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champion of interactive
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this isn't a like goose chase
goose, chase goose, chase

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Community.
This is here's a place that

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creators want to create these
incredible experiences can come

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together and learn from each
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And then obviously that's kind
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we're playing and but we don't
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We win by making experiences.
On this tool that more and more

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people appreciate.
And that's going to move the

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whole Space forward.
So that's kind of the first main

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focus for us there have.
Did you ever work for Disney?

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I have a quick question because
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lot, and that's what Disney is.
It's a whole experience.

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I was related back to that, I
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It's about the experiences, it's
about the community and building

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the community.
Yeah, it's so I never work for

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Disney but we had to get away
from calling things games

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internally so it's been, yeah,
he's into me and everyone in

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internally that we need to talk
about experiences instead of

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games.
So I'm just very experienced

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oriented in the first place.
So it really wasn't difficult

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for me to switch the language of
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But at the end of the day, it's
what we do is what we care

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about.
I'm a product person on my core.

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So a lot of my day is spent
thinking about experiences in

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some shape or form.
Absolutely, I'm sorry to

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interrupt you because what you
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about walking into one of their
parks and that's like how goose

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chase experiences.
It sucks you right in and it's

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fun and Technology.
A Fades away because you're just

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having such a good time and it's
so easy to use.

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Yeah.
And I think that's honestly how

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the best products work as well,
you know, it's not just Disney,

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it's the best products allow you
to do what you're coming to do

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in just they support you but
they get out of the way at the

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right time.
So it's it's a great thing to

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strive for.
So if we can be anything like

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Disney in that context, very
down for that comparison to beat

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to be brought forward for sure.
And I directed you, did you

454
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remember what you're going to
say?

455
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Say, I'm so sorry.
No, it's okay.

456
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I'm just going to mention that.
The second Focus for us is now

457
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that we're, you know, laying the
foundation.

458
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We want to keep expanding the
product.

459
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We know, we have this scavenger
hunt background, but there's so

460
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much more you want to do from a
flexibility standpoint.

461
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We're on the types of
experiences.

462
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They can create.
I'm not going to tease any

463
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specific features but there's a
lot of things we're working on

464
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that are very frequently asked
for especially around how

465
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experiences can.
Us kind of from the start of an

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experience to finish.
So I won't flush that out too

467
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much.
But now that sound what?

468
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That sounds intriguing.
You probably have the Intrigue

469
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right now.
Hopefully, in the coming year,

470
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when things go out the door,
you'll be like, okay.

471
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I see it.
I see what the hint was there.

472
00:24:06,900 --> 00:24:10,200
So, yeah.
Hopefully like you said, I can

473
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probably get away with breaking
a few things here, so, I'll

474
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tease that the flow is probably
one of the big areas that we

475
00:24:15,500 --> 00:24:18,500
focus on.
I'm excited giving more.

476
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Ability for how people want the
way experience move.

477
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So it's play out there.
Absolutely that.

478
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I'm looking forward to that, I
can't wait to see what happens.

479
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Thank you for sharing and be
willing to share some upcoming

480
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things for the year.
I know I appreciate in, so so

481
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does the audience.
But we're coming here to the

482
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final couple minutes of the
episode and I have two final

483
00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,000
questions for you.
I want to know, is there

484
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anything we missed?
And actually it's really three

485
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,600
questions.
That's one question with two and

486
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then another question.
And so anything we missed

487
00:24:50,500 --> 00:24:54,300
anything else, you'd like to
share with the audience and I

488
00:24:54,300 --> 00:24:59,400
want you to be a fortune teller
and I want you to put your very

489
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cool fortune, tellers hat on and
tell us what the future of Ed

490
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,200
Tech looks like.
So do we miss anything?

491
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And what does the future look
like?

492
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:10,900
Yeah.
So I wouldn't say we missed

493
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anything major here.
The one thing that I just always

494
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:17,300
want to add and I'm gonna put on
my Disney had again, is I think

495
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,300
people can sometimes X forget,
you know how impactful good

496
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:24,900
experiences are and I mean that
both good and bad experiences

497
00:25:25,500 --> 00:25:28,900
and how much they can impact our
mood, Our Lives, what our days

498
00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:31,700
are like.
So just on a purely personal

499
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:35,700
note, I think it's a really cool
experience for me to help.

500
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Create better experiences for
everybody out there in the

501
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world.
So that's the only thing that I

502
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:42,800
would maybe highlight a little
bit more explicitly compared to

503
00:25:42,808 --> 00:25:45,100
what I've done before.
And then you looking at the

504
00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:47,500
future of edtech,
fortune-telling is always hard

505
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:50,500
here at the same.
I'm I think it were a spot now

506
00:25:50,500 --> 00:25:53,800
where the future of attack is
really overflowing with

507
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,700
possibilities.
I think we're in an interesting

508
00:25:55,700 --> 00:25:57,700
spot as well.
And that teachers are looking

509
00:25:57,700 --> 00:26:00,700
now for ways to make lessons
more engaging.

510
00:26:00,700 --> 00:26:04,800
And they're actually eager to
adopt new technologies and not

511
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,700
that they weren't before.
But I think it's more accessible

512
00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:12,400
sometimes for teachers and bring
technology into the classroom or

513
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,100
wherever else.
It might come in and sitting all

514
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:16,800
the challenges.
That students and Educators and

515
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,300
families have faced over the
last A couple of years.

516
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:23,300
I really think all the edtech
companies out there will succeed

517
00:26:23,300 --> 00:26:26,000
by catering to all the different
learning styles.

518
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,200
Like I mentioned before
delightfully disrupting, the

519
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,500
average lecturer allowing more
collaboration between everyone.

520
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,400
So I think there is actually
more of an opportunity here

521
00:26:35,700 --> 00:26:39,100
especially given the last couple
of years to cater and use the

522
00:26:39,100 --> 00:26:41,800
technology that's available for
everyone's different learning

523
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,800
style.
I'm a product person at heart

524
00:26:45,300 --> 00:26:47,900
and the one thing you learn
really quickly is that you can't

525
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:49,900
force something.
Other people all the best

526
00:26:49,900 --> 00:26:53,000
products out there are really
pulled out of you by the people

527
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,100
using them.
That's a great quote, I love

528
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:57,300
that.
Okay.

529
00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:59,300
You can't force the product on
people.

530
00:26:59,300 --> 00:27:03,600
Definitely, that never works.
Yeah, and it really doesn't

531
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:04,800
work.
I've been in that situation

532
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,400
before and nobody's picking up
what you're putting down out

533
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,200
there.
But when you flip it and you

534
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,000
basically see customers as
allies in your kind of

535
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,800
co-creating it together, that's
where the magic happens.

536
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,200
And we really do see that in
edtech right now.

537
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:22,800
There's this genuine desire to
incorporate technology to better

538
00:27:22,900 --> 00:27:25,200
the learning outcomes of their
students.

539
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,700
So I think for all of us in the
Ed Tech space, and we're not the

540
00:27:28,700 --> 00:27:31,500
type that says, we need to get
ahead and everyone else can't.

541
00:27:31,500 --> 00:27:34,000
I think there's a huge
opportunity for all of us to

542
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,600
really work and kind of
co-create with the Educators out

543
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,900
there to make this a reality and
bring at Tech forward but not

544
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:42,500
selfishly.
But for the betterment of

545
00:27:42,500 --> 00:27:47,200
everyone here that is, that is
so inspiring and I love the way

546
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,900
you approach that question.
Ian and thank you so much for

547
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:54,900
coming on the show.
I had a great time talking about

548
00:27:54,900 --> 00:27:58,200
goose chase and I'm sure the
audience loved the to everything

549
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800
about goose chase, where to find
out where to sign up, where to

550
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,600
connect with Andrew and his
wonderful team is going to be in

551
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,700
the show notes.
So thank you Andrew so much for

552
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:09,400
your time and coming on at up a
deck.

553
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,800
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you so much for having me.

554
00:28:11,808 --> 00:28:12,900
I appreciate it.
A lot of fun.

555
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:24,700
Yeah.
You've just experienced another

556
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fantastic episode of Ed up
edtech.

557
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Thank you so much for listening.
Be sure to check us out on our

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website at Ed up.
Ed Tech.com.

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Keep yourself in the know about
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