175: Visible, Valuable, Hired: Stephanie Yesil on Career Pivots, Growth, and Why Your Next Job Won’t Be Your Last

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Hello, add up L&D fam.
It's your host Holly Owens, and

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today's episode is straight up
fire.

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Why do you ask?
Because I've got Steph Yesl in

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the house, the brilliant bold
bat signalling answering founder

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of Elevated Careers.
And let me tell you, this combo

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is like Rocket fool for your
career pivot.

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Stephanie's journey from Teach
from America to a decade of

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dominating corporate L&D to
building a career coaching

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business that's helping
educators become unapologetic

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leaders and change makers.
And guess what?

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She's just getting started.
In this episode, we're getting

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into how to actually build
visibility without drowning in

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the LinkedIn noise, why your
next job isn't your last and why

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that's a good thing, how to
incorporate AI the right way so

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you don't get left behind, and
how to stop overthinking and

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start owning your transition.
Steph drops truth prompts,

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tactical tips, and real deal
advice that's not only

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actionable, it's truly
empowering.

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She's the career coach with the
receipts, receipts, receipts.

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And if you're not already
following her, well, that

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changes today.
Buckle up because this is your

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sign to calm down, get visible,
and make your career transition

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elevated.
Let's get into it.

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Hello everyone, and welcome to

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another fantastic episode of Add
Up L&D.

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I'm Holly Owens and I'm your
host and I'm super excited that

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I got this guest on my show.
I have Steph Yessel, who is the

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founder of Elevated Careers, and
she's going to come talk to us

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all about the resources and
things she's offers.

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Steph, welcome to the show.
Woo Hoo, Thank you so much for

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having me, Holly.
And I know Jen, you're in the

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background, but I'm going to
give you a shout out on camera

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too.
Thank you both for having me.

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This is wonderful.
We are so excited to have you

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here and I know the audience is
going to be intently listening

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to all the advice you have to
give.

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But before we get into all that,
tell us about you.

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Tell us about your journey.
How did you become like this?

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Founder of Elevated Careers?
All the different things that

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you've done up into this point.
We want to know more about you

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and your story.
OK, well, I'm going to, I, I

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have a pretty rigorous
background, uh, ups and downs,

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left and rights, wins, mistakes,
all of that.

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I'm going to spare you all of
the minute details.

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The big picture is I I went in
to Teach for America in 2011,

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which began my journey in
education and learning and

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development.
I had a five year plan, got out

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right around 4 1/2, started
working for corporate.

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I worked for corporate for 10
years in lots of different L&D

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under the under the giant L&D
umbrella, lots of positions,

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curriculum development,
training, facilitating, you

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know, traditional L and DII
helped manage instructional

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designers.
I, I, I I've done it.

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On.
I've I've delivered, I've

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written, I've I've done all the
things because I said yes.

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When there was an opportunity, I
said yes.

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I'm a utility player.
When the bat signal goes up, I

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get to work and I, I, I'm not
afraid to learn along the way.

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And I realized that on my way to
creating elevated careers.

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I've always been the kind of
person who has felt itchy in, in

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constrained roles where I need
to help somebody else build

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their dream.
But I know that kind of role,

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that kind of experience is
necessary to eventually build

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your own thing, as you well
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So I'm really grateful for that
10 years in corporate.

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And then one day I thought, you
know what there is such a market

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for, for getting the right
talent in the right positions

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unapologetically.
And, and my passion is

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education.
I mean, you and I, we can, we'll

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have a happy hour and we're
going to need 2 hours to talk

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about why I love the power of
education.

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But I'm also a futurist and I
believe that education is

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changing and the classroom
landscape is, is it's going to

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go the way of the dodo.
So if we don't keep up, we're

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going to suffer horrific
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And I don't want that to happen.
So what I do now in elevated

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careers, what I built is I help
great minds in education move

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into roles that traditionally
haven't been the decision

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makers, but are now becoming the
the systemic change makers.

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And those are the people
creating the products and

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services that are being
consumed.

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So I want to make sure that I'm
helping brilliant, wonderful,

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lovely people elevate their
careers into the next chapter of

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what education is going to look
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And if that happens for them
outside of the classroom, which

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in many cases it does, I'm the
person to help shepherd them

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there.
I love this story and I know we

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have a lot of commonality just
from seeing your post on

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LinkedIn and I want to 100% like
kudos you.

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Your marketing is fantastic.
Thank you.

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Love how you market elevated
careers and and the things that

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you offer for free to people who
follow you and out on LinkedIn

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world.
It truly is amazing what you

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have built.
And not only that, like you are

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somebody that people can trust.
Like I feel this, this level of

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trust coming through the screen
that I know what you say is

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something that you've
experienced, you've researched,

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you've helped with other people
do it.

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It's like it's not your, not
your not just throwing it out

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there.
You're really, you have a lot of

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weight behind it and I can feel
that through the screen.

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So I just wanted to give you
kudos for that.

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That means the world coming from
you.

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And I want to say to all of your
listeners, this is a full circle

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moment.
When I was in corporate years

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ago, I was following your early
work as well.

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And much of what you posted and
much of what you've shared, I, I

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can literally say the same
things back to you about

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building trust and community.
So, and I've, I've borrowed a

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lot of your, a lot of your, I've
vampired a lot of your energy.

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You don't even know it, but I
did.

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And I think, I think it was Maya
Angelou that has a quote about

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the more creativity you, you
experience, I don't remember the

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exact quote.
Somebody will somebody needs to

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Fact Check me on this.
But the more creativity you

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have, the more it produces and I
feel like you live that and I'm

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one of the lucky recipients of
of some of your earliest

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inspiration.
So, you know, like I said,

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community and creativity, we all
get to come together and and

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lift this wonderful group of
people.

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So thank you.
Well.

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I really appreciate that.
That makes me very happy that

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that is happening because you
often when you sit on this side

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of things, you don't really you
see the impact.

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It's kind of like I relate to
Taylor Swift.

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She doesn't know the impact that
she has on a culture because

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she's living the experience,
which I love living the

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experience.
But it's great to be reinforced,

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recognize, you know, just kind
of telling other people that

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they are doing a great job.
You're the Taylor Swift of L&D.

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But Jen, Jen's got the quote.
Wait, Jen just chatted me.

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She has a quote.
You can't use creativity.

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The more you use, the more you
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There you go.
Thank you so much.

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And that's it.
And, and I'll add on to that,

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not that Maya Angelou needs my
help, but the more you give, the

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more you get around you as well.
So that's the vibe I'm trying to

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send your way.
Is that your creativity that you

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put out there has been
multiplied by those around you?

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I love it and that's the whole
intention behind it.

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So let's talk a little bit about
community before we get into

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elevated careers.
I think one of the things that

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especially the listener struggle
with is like, maybe this is more

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networking or community is like,
how do you put yourself out

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there and build that community
or be a part of that community?

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There's a lot of noise stuff.
There's there's so much noise.

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You're you cut through the
noise.

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Thank you.
I can tell you and you, you just

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simplified it in a way that's so
understandable that it's like, I

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can take this, I can do this
right now.

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So how do you like build this?
What do?

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What do people do?
You have to start, you have to

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start putting your opinions out
there unapologetically and and

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you can be afraid and
vulnerable, but the answer to

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your question, so many people
think it's this big complicated

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thing.
It's not.

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Right.
If you want to get into L&D,

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figure out what your niche in
L&D is.

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Do you want to train?
Do you want to create materials?

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Do you want to train other
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Do you want to make curriculum
like what's the thing within

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learning in development that you
want to do and self assign your

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own homework to understand it
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And I'm speaking in terms of
career pivoters or early, early

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learning and development
professionals.

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Figure out what part of learning
and development you like and

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start posting helpful things for
other people.

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And once you start quote solving
other people's problems and they

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can be small, you know, learning
and development instructional

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design.
Let's say you know, you Google.

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What are some common problems
that instructional designers

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experience or learning and
development professionals

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experience and find micro
problems that you go, oh, I

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didn't even realize like I do
that already.

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Make your point of view visible.
Just make a post, write about it

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until you find your niche and
your voice and the power of

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attraction will start bringing
people to you because you'll

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start to be seen as the person
who goes, oh, I do have

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something to say about this in a
way that's meaningful that

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people can act on right now.
But my advice is don't do long

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form posts anymore.
Action solution and make it

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palatable, make it easy to
understand.

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And that's what everybody wants
in the professional learning and

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development world.
They want the L&D professional

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to see the problem, to see a
need and fill a need.

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That's it.
And then just start posting

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LinkedIn.
Start with LinkedIn, Yeah,

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don't, don't, don't try.
And we'll try and do all of the

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other.
Things I tried.

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It's too much once you're a
professional, right, right.

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And then you can read if you
want, if you're really excited

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to get on Pinterest and TikTok
and Instagram and X and you

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know, all great, but pick a
topic and then repurpose that

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topic across those like again,
keep it simple, keep it

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actionable.
That's how you're going to

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attract people.
Yeah, absolutely.

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And one of the things I love
about the roles that are in L&D

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is like, you can really have a
job that you're passionate about

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and like you want to get up and
go to every day.

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Like it truly is something that
fulfills you and at the same

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time you're getting paid for
because people like Elsa and Mel

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Robbins and other people like
finding your your path or stuff

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like that.
Like I feel like an L&D, we have

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that opportunity.
Like we have the opportunity to

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find the role where we get up
for it every day because we know

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we're making a difference.
Yes.

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You know, that's what teachers
do.

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So that's why there's so many
transition teachers in this

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community.
So I really appreciate the

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community and how giving
everybody is because I don't,

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you know, when I transitioned
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of this existed.
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people focused on learning and
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training in higher education
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These things were they needed to

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be done and they were worth it
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stuff.
I remember those days.

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It's very, very different now.
You are a fellow trailblazer, my

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friend.
That's exactly right.

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educators to see these valid
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the phrase, but like the bigger
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And I say, you know, compared to
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into a corporate entity or going
between corporate entities, you

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have this ability to, to
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in making learning fun and
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grown-ups, sometimes in kind of
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industries.
You have the opportunity to

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enjoy what you do and never lose
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your heart.
So thank you for reminding

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everybody of that, Holly.
That's really cool and relevant.

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Absolutely.
So tell us about elevated

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careers.
How are you helping people when

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doing what you offer?
Give us all the details because

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I know listeners, if they
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need to connect with you.
Everything's going to be in the

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show notes, obviously, after we
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but what?
Tell us what it's all about.

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So it, it, the tagline is I turn
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leaders.
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the quickest, most efficient,
most effective pathway from what

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you're doing, the work you're
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or may not envision yourself
doing next, but you know you

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want to do something next.
I I really specialize, as I

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mentioned in Educators.
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industries have come to me.
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Word of mouth.
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And I'm very, very fortunate in
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rarely turn people down.
If somebody comes to me and

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says, hey, I need some support,
I've got either free resources I

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can point them to or the two
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So, So typically I work with
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the education system or was
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system.
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year and said stuff, I, I was a
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I, I've been out of the
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I want to do something else.
I know that you keep your finger

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on the pulse of what's going on
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Help.
I'd say come on in, Holly.

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You're my kind of person.
I've worked with first year

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teachers, 20 year teachers,
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coaches.
I actually have several

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superintendents I'm working for
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looking for consulting work and
part time work in their retired

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Oh, my goodness.
I know Evan Pressman has been

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has been really focused on
posting cool things about

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helping people who are dealing
with some of these federal cuts

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right now.
So, you know, like it's anybody

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touching education, public,
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So that's my niche.
And what I do is I write.

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I write every single day, Holly.
I'm either putting together A

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blog, I'm writing my weekly
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LinkedIn every day I wake up and
think what is a real time

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challenge my community is facing
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solution And I write and I post.
So among my free resources, of

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course I post on LinkedIn every
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to I really don't do I've saved.
Some of your stuff.

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Have you not?
Going to lie, yeah.

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I love that I'll send the whole
folder to you if it helps you

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help others.
It's all yours.

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But but yeah, I post every day.
I have a weekly newsletter

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that's normally longer form.
You know, you want to do a

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deeper dive into one real world
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A client had to bring something
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I don't plan them weeks and
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It's like, okay, it's summer and
you can learn that.

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Summer bread approach, because I
think sometimes when you plan in

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advance, you're like, oh, I
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because this is what's
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Now, and that's it.
I want to make sure anything

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that I put out there is timely
as as much as Evergreen and

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relevant like.
But some people need to see

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certain things at certain times
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of the guesswork as possible and
I want to take away as much of

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the stress for people as
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So to list the things ioffer
newsletter posts, I have my

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blog, which really are just how
to's.

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And is this the right job for
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I post jobs from the last seven
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Saturday morning, typically with
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world.
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something that I have personally
vetted that I know an educator

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would be able to move into
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transferable skills.
So I have a packet.

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One that I absolutely love
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a difficult time, including
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I use the same one as an example
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that is is top notch.
So thank you for that.

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Thank you.
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And you can find that on my
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the free tools section of my
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I have a free resume, a
corporate resume with examples

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of educator to corporate example
language transitions.

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I have jobs to check out kind of
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is a board of jobs that other
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Take a look.
And it's from finance to L&D to

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editorial work to
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I mean, you name it.
It's just general career paths

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that people have taken.
The majority of what Ioffer,

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honestly, Holly, the majority of
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also understand that my niche
does not have a lot of

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disposable income.
And so I strive to fix whatever

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challenges folks are solving
without having to go the paid

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route.
This is my full time job.

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I do have some sponsors you.
Have to get paid at some point.

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Right.
I want to continue to be able to

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do this work for the people I
love and in order to make a

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living and do that, there are a
few services, premium services

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that I charge for.
One is my Career Change

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Accelerator, which is a
self-paced course that walks you

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through in depth all of the
steps from what in the heck do I

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do?
I feel guilty.

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I don't like like this feels
yucky and scary.

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Like figuring out how to not
feel yucky and scary, or to feel

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yucky and scary and still be
tactical.

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Moving through what you need to
do to make this transition all

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the way up to after you get
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The very last module is now that
you're in this role, how do you

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set yourself up for a promotion
in one year?

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How do you think that's a huge?
Settlement that's missing in

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some of these other areas that
other things that are people

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doing.
I won't mention any names, but I

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think that, you know, I've
really focused on the pre hire,

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like the pre hire and the
interview.

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I but it sounds like you really
dive, you take a deeper dive and

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after you're hired, like also
stressing the importance of like

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people asking in the interview,
what's the 306090 day plan?

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What's the onboarding plan?
And then after that, like what's

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your next move?
Because in today's job market,

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it's not the same as it was even
1015 years ago.

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You people average or changing
roles every three to four years

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at this point.
So you have to be prepared.

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You know, as much like I can say
that my fiance, he wants to stay

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in his little his little job
because he's very comfortable.

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He doesn't want to move out of
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But you can't do that or you're
not going to grow.

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Yeah, well, and everybody wants
comfort, and changing is

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uncomfortable by the very nature
of changing, even if you're

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excited about it.
You could be scared to death,

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you could be excited about it,
but change is hard no matter

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what.
So that's the point is just

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having a system to make it less
scary and and very much like

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your fiance.
Congratulations by the way.

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Oh, thank you.
We can we can geek out about

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about marriage stuff another
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So expensive.
Look, we are if we wanted to

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make the Buku box just attach
the the word wedding to anything

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literally and just upcharting
the planner wedding.

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Coordinator.
Good grief.

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But anyway, that's that's
somebody else's fun party.

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I digress, but that's the point.
Your your fiance, very much like

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many other humans, want to stay
in that lane, want to stick to

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one thing because it's secure
and it's comfortable and there's

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nothing wrong with that.
Like who doesn't?

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Want.
And comfort, right?

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But, but the reason why people
often want to do that is because

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there's not a clear pathway.
There's not a clear formula that

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you can follow.
And I have made that formula.

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I've made that clear pathway, as
have many other people in this

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space.
And I'm, I'm super grateful that

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there are so many people
rallying and offering similar

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services.
Yeah, so, so OK.

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So my people like it's, it's,
it's so big now that the

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transitioning happened that we
do need all these people to

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support the masses into the
transition.

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But I think what you're doing is
you're future proofing your

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business for after the
transition happens and what you

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continue to do to to grow in
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It's just, it's, it's about
supporting the total person.

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I'm, I'm kind of a career
doctor, right?

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I, I, I'm not just going to
treat one of the symptoms and

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get you from A to B.
I'm going to stick with you

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afterwards and make sure your
lifestyle change is also

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befitting of how great you are
and, and of, of you know what

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you want to build.
That's my job and I love my job.

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Then the other paid option is
one-on-one sessions with me, 60

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minute one-on-one sessions that
are I, I don't, I don't try and

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lock people into, you know, like
a 10 package, 10 session

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package.
If you and I can meet and that

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one challenge that you have
something we can deal with in

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one paid session.
Cool, I want, I want to put

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myself out of a job with every
single person because I want

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them after talking with me and
taking my course, I want them to

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feel so empowered that they're
like, oh, cool, I learned what I

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needed to learn.
And their futures, their careers

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are future proof as well.
Like that's, that's the exciting

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part about what I do.
I love that and it's so

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important like you can offer the
different things that they can

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kind of do self pace, but then
you can have that personalized

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one-on-one touch.
And honestly, I've done a few of

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those, like one on ones with
people and it's like the

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personalization that goes into
that is priceless because you

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are getting to sit with an
expert for an hour of their

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time, which is very, very rare
and get to tell them.

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It's kind of like it's a therapy
session, It's a growing session.

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It's a like planning goal
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And then after that, when people
come to those sessions, and I'm

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sure they say this to you too,
they feel like reinvigorated,

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they feel motivated.
They're like, I, I was, I was

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kind of giving up, you know?
And now I feel like there's

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something that there's so
there's another direction I can

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take it.
There's still hope.

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And I love that that's what
comes out of those sort of

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things.
Exactly.

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And then beyond that, I don't
know what kind of everybody

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offers some sort of different
follow up as well for mine after

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that hour.
So people pay for one hour and

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in my opinion, it's pretty
affordable.

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People pay for that one hour and
then I spend another one to

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three hours after that putting
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table of contents.
Here are all the things that we

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discussed.
Here are some jobs that I think

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you would be great at based on
what we discussed.

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I I hold people accountable.
Obviously I'm not going to check

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in with them every single day.
I'd be like have.

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You checked out checklist #1.
Right.

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But I'm going to make sure when
we're done, you literally have a

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checklist, an organized step by
step process for your challenge

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that you can follow and get
traction on that thing that has

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been making you feel really
uncomfortable in this change.

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Can we talk about everything in
one hour?

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No, of course not.
And I do have people coming to

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me saying they expect that
they're going to have their

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career chosen and their resume
and LinkedIn updated in one

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hour.
And I'm like, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, as much as I
would love that.

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No, no, no.
But we have a plan to do all of

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those things and and real
actionable strategies.

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So, yeah.
And Holly, I'm off camera.

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One of these days, you and I
need to just swap some more

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stories and some ideas about how
we can continue to better

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support the folks who come to
us.

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Because I know that that through
trial and error we have

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developed cool methods to be top
supporters. 100% I'd love to do

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that cool cool thinking session
cuz then we'll share it out with

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the world.
Yes, yes, this could be an

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ongoing thing.
I see some collaborative

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opportunities here, which I'm
sure everybody you have on says

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that, but I'm going to make
their money not.

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Everybody.
How is that possible?

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Like who wouldn't?
Who?

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Who wouldn't suggest that?
Yeah, their loss is my gain.

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Yeah, absolutely.
So Speaking of like advice and

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and putting things together that
are simple for people to to get

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done as we're coming up to the
end of the episode, you know,

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the transition teachers
community, you know the

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educators community and there's
tons of them sitting listening

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right now.
And you, you've worked with

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thousands of people.
Tell us where like 3 pieces of

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advice that you would give to
them that are actionable right

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now that they can do if they're
looking to step out of education

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and into a corporate role.
Love that that is such a great

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question.
And it's straight to the point

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too.
This is this is my jam here.

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OK, three pieces of advice, all
right, The three that come to

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mind, one is something you need
to change up here.

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The next one is something that
we've already talked about and

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the third one is something that
people need to start doing

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something new.
OK, so #1 accept, especially in

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learning and development, that
your next job will not be your

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00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,200
last job.
So don't worry if you don't get

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00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,360
everything perfect and right.
You are going to learn and grow.

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So accept that you're making the
right choices, even if later on

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you reserve the right to change
your mind and you want to do

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something different.
So number one, just chill.

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You're going to be OK.
OK, the actionable thing, like

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once your nervous system comes
down, fight or.

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Flight, right?
Once you're ready to fight, but

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in a good way, I want you.
This is advice #2 get visible.

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Learning and development has
become such a competitive

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industry and I don't say that to
make people uncomfortable or

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scared.
Real talk, it has like real.

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00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,960
Talk.
It is crazy competitive, but

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00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,320
that's because people are
getting outstanding learning and

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00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,520
development support and the
people who are going to get

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00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,560
hired, the ones, the ones who
set themselves apart are the

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ones who are making their their
learning and whatever they're

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producing visible.
Yeah.

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Don't you know, don't don't
break any non disclosure

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00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,400
agreements or give away
intellectual property.

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00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,960
That's not what.
I'm saying about stuff.

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00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,040
Like it's, it's so.
Positive and not like what's it

523
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:54,680
called?
Toxic positivity.

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00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,720
It's positive in the way where
you're like, this was the

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00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,680
problem.
Here's how I fix this.

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00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,440
And that's it.
That's, that's another thing

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00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,680
that you might have noticed,
Holly, I don't ever talk about,

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00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:12,720
I don't ever talk about haters,
you know, of, of anybody.

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00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,440
Like of, of if someone gets on
and they're frustrated about

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00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,640
something like I never write
posts about like to the people

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00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:27,040
who are feeling salty about it,
like, no, keep it focused on the

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00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,280
problems that need to be solved
and you will get noticed as an

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00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,200
authority.
That's it.

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00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,520
And make it visible.
Use your featured section on

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00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,280
LinkedIn.
Have a portfolio.

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00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,560
If if you don't show it, it
didn't happen.

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00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,320
And keep me honest on this one,
Holly, If you don't show it, it

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00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,440
didn't happen.
You have to be able to prove

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00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,680
that you've been doing your
research, even if you haven't

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00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880
been in the learning and
development world yet.

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And there is absolutely space to
break in the third part, and

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00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,480
this is something that I feel
like you and I can do another

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00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:08,880
show on, is Start learning how
learning and development

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00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,040
professionals are incorporating
AI into their work.

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00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,160
Yes.
Every.

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00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,880
We didn't even touch AI this
episode.

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We're definitely going.
To have to do another one.

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00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Goodness.
If you are not finding ways to

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00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:28,600
make your work more efficient
and more effective using AI.

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00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,040
And I don't just mean like
rewrite this document, I mean

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00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:41,320
real time saving, repeatable
moves to increase the quality of

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00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,240
your work.
Essentially, use AI to save your

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00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,320
future employer time and money.
If you're not finding ways to do

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00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,560
that, or at least practicing,
you're getting left behind at an

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00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,480
exponential rate.
And I again, don't say that to

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00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,560
scare people.
I say that to empower people to

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put their energy in the right
places.

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So quick recap, if you wanted a
sound bite #1 your next job's

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not going to be your last job.
I don't care how much you love

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00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:14,600
it, it's just not going to be.
And that's OK #2 make your

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00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,280
learning visible.
Make your make your expertise

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00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,400
visible.
Even if you're building your

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00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,640
expertise.
And #3 you've got to find what

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you just do your research on how
L&D is incorporating AI into the

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00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,800
space.
And then the rest, just just

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stay curious and keep consuming
the Ed Up podcast by yours

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00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:43,600
truly, Holly Owens to stay
abreast of all of the current

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00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,520
happenings in the Yeah.
We've had some great guests and

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00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,480
yourself included on that list
that have just blown me away in

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terms of the advice and the
things that I can do myself.

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But not only that, to the
listeners, they, I think that

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00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,000
when they listen to this and we
get to this part of the episode,

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00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,840
they're like, they're just ready
to write down all the advice

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00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,880
and, and then find you and then,
you know, start an action plan.

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00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,560
Like as teachers, former
teachers, we feel like when

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00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,840
we're checking stuff off the
list that is just so nice.

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00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,560
If we're if we're making, we're
opening paths, we're opening

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00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,880
doors.
It's it's so reassuring that

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we're taking the right steps.
Bingo.

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00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,400
Because as you said, there's
noise everywhere.

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00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,040
Everybody has something to say.
There's so much advice and most

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00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,880
of it is great advice.
It's just too much.

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00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,240
Yeah.
People are are over informed and

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00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,480
underwhelmed, Right.
Yeah.

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00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,680
So it's like, OK, these are the
things you need to do.

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00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,960
Calm down.
What did I say?

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00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:43,200
Calm down.
That's right.

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00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,920
Calm down.
Focus post and and learn about

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00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,160
VI.
Yep.

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00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,840
You're going to be all right,
all.

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00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,440
The things you're done.
That's it.

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00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,760
Yeah.
Steph, thanks so much for coming

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00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,560
on the show.
I really appreciate it.

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00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,000
It's been amazing and I know the
listeners are going to love

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00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,080
this.
We're going to have everything

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00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,960
in the show notes, where to find
you, elevated careers, all the

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00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,800
the resources that you
mentioned.

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00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Really appreciate all that
you're doing in the space and

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00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,760
that we connected and now we met
kind of IRL.

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00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,159
Thanks so much for coming on and
chatting with me.

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00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,480
My pleasure.
I hope you continue to be well,

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00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,880
and I really am excited to stay
tuned in to hear of all the

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00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,120
other wonderful advice you're
giving folks.

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00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,080
Thanks.
Thanks for spending a few

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00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,400
minutes with Holly.
She knows your podcast queue is

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00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,080
packed.
If today's episode sparked an

607
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:32,280
idea or gave you that extra
nudge of confidence, tap, follow

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00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,239
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Dropping a quick rating or

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00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,719
review helps more educators and
learning pros discover the show,

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00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,719
too.
I want to keep the conversation

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00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,960
going.
Connect with Holly on LinkedIn

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00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,560
and share your biggest take
away.

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00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,120
She reads every message.
Until next time, keep learning,

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00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:54,760
keep leading, and keep believing
in your own story.

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00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,920
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