172: The Future Is Built, Not Found: Dr. Jarrett Carter on Designing Equitable Careers with Purpose

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Hi everyone and welcome back to
another episode of Add Up L&D.

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Now listen, I'm not trying to
copy Kylie Kelsey's Podcast 5,

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but I'm bringing back one of my
absolute favorite humans to

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grace the show, Doctor Jarrett
Carter.

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Y'all might remember him from a
past episode where somehow we

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ended up talking about Beyoncé,
which I love, and instructional

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design in the same breath.
I'll buckle up because this one

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picks up right where we left
off, with wisdom, laughter, and

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a whole lot of honesty.
Since we last chatted, Jarrett

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finished his doctorate,
navigated burnout like a boss,

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stepped away from a high level
leadership role, and launched

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his own business.
Yes, he's that kind of awesome.

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In today's episode, we dive into
everything from setting

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boundaries and redefining
success to building authentic

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leadership identities.
And of course, why networking

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doesn't have to feel sleazy.
It's a it's part therapy

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session, part leadership master
class, and a full on reminder.

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A full on reminder that titles
don't define us, our purpose

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does.
So get ready to laugh.

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Maybe tear up a little bit and
feel truly seen because this is

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real talk with one of the
realists.

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to
another fantastic episode of Add

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Up L&D.
I'm not going to lie, I'm not

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copying Kylie Kelsey's podcast,
but I'm so excited to welcome

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back Jarrett Carter to the show
today.

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Jarrett, hey, welcome back.
Thank you for having me.

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I'm really, really excited to be
here.

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I'm excited because we were just
talking.

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You've been on a journey since
we last spoke, so why don't you

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tell us about what you've done,
what you're doing, what the

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future looks like.
Just tell us all the things that

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you've been doing since you were
last on the show.

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It feels like over a year ago.
It was a while ago because, and

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this is going to be the most
hilarious marker of me to

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remember how long we were
discussing Beyoncé and right had

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just come out.
And this is full circle because

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just a couple of weeks ago I was
at the July 4th Cowboy Carter

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show right outside of DC.
So.

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Nice, I'm so glad we can use
Beyoncé as a marker for when.

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We left.
Exactly, Exactly.

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But yeah, a lot has changed.
So in that time I finished my

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doctorate and, you know, at that
time, right, Major, just that

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was done.
And, you know, one of the things

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that I had to be honest with
myself when I finished was that

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if we don't talk enough about
this, I was excited for a point.

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And then I just like slid into
this through, right, like in

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terms of my own mental health
and everybody around me was so

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excited, but I was just kind of
going through it.

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And what I realized was that I
was burnt out.

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And I made a promise to myself
back when I was in my doctoral

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program that, you know, with,
with COVID and everything that

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happened then, I kept putting
money in savings, you know, to

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be able to at some point be able
to slow down, take a step back

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from full time work and, you
know, engage in some work that I

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think, you know, are more like
passion projects or things that

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deeply, deeply aligned with what
I wanted to do.

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I put that on the back burner
because I also after I spoke to

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you, I was promoted into a new
role, associate vice president

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of integrative learning design.
I think when we spoke before, I

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had just just started.
So we were doing a lot of cool

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things and I wanted to be a part
of it.

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But we were coming up on two
years since I have finished my

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program.
And I realized, hey, I didn't

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quite keep this promise to
myself.

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And I think that a lot of the
burnout symptoms were there and

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it wasn't any one person's
fault.

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But I think that, you know, my
whole career, I was, you know,

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at the same time working full
time.

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I was generally taking classes
for this, that or the other.

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I was off the freelancing on the
side.

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I was also active in my
different communities outside of

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work.
And during the pandemic when

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everybody kind of had that slow
down moment, you know, making

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sourdough bread or what have
you, I was taking qualifying

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exams, which is actually the
more stressful part of the

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document, the dissertation
defense.

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When you get to that stage, if
you've done everything right,

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that should be a slam dunk.
But the qualifying exams are

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really mind numbing.
So I was working 70 hours a week

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plus doing qualifying exams.
So I realized that I had to slow

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down.
And so I made a really crazy, I

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think decision to step, to step
away from my role at University

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of Maryland Global Campus.
And it was a difficult decision

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because that has been the most
mission aligned chapter of my

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career.
I'm glad that I was able to stay

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on as graduate adjunct faculty
in the learning design and

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technology program.
So I'm still connected in that

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way.
But I have been engaging in a

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few different projects.
The biggest one being I've

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started my company, it's called
Collaboratix.

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It's going.
I love that name by the way.

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Thank you.
Thank you.

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Yeah, I wanted to something that
was futuristic, but also in, you

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know, still stress the
collaborative nature of the work

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that we do because I think that
we are stronger together.

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And I think that it's really
important that anything that I

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do, even if I'm doing a solo,
that I'm still collaborating

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with people or what have you and
helping people to work Better

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Together.
So a lot going on right now.

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So, you know, learning and
development work we're going to

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be doing, we're going to be
doing leadership coaching,

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whatever else comes because the
life of an entrepreneur means

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that, you know, I'm not going to
immediately say no to a whole

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lot.
And you're pivoting very

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quickly.
When you're an entrepreneur,

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you're like, does this just kind
of fit?

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And this might be good to have
in My Portfolio to share with

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other people.
So I totally understand that.

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Let's go back to the burnout
piece because I think that's a

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great way to start the episode
as being so transparent about

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everything that you, what
society puts on us, the

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pressure, especially in
academia, what we need to do in

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order to be seen as
accomplished.

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And I think a lot of that
doesn't align with the human

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experience or definitely does
not align with the human

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experience.
And I had a similar situation to

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you when I was at Amazon.
I was, I was working full time.

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I have my side hustles.
I have this podcast, which is a

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huge passion project of mine
and, you know, taking care of my

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family and, you know, dealing
with trauma and grief and, and

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all different kinds of things.
And it just like my body just

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literally, I'm like, I can't, I
just can't do it anymore.

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I can't tell my mind to keep
going, so I think one of the

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things I want to point out is
how much it impacts your health

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and how much it also makes you
reflect on what's really

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important in your life.
Absolutely.

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I think that oftentimes we're
slow to catch a burnout too,

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because it could be a lot of a
good thing as well, right?

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That, you know, I think
sometimes we associate burnout

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with, oh, I don't like what I'm
doing, Therefore, you know, I'm

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feeling these things.
But sometimes we overextend

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ourselves doing a lot of
different things that we love.

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And that was the case for me.
And you know, what I've learned

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is that for me, burnout is not
something that I can acutely

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detect when it happens, right?
For me, it was a bit of a slow,

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it was a bit of a slow decline,
right?

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You know, it was slow burn,
right?

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You know, I wasn't sleeping like
I should be.

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You know, I found that, you
know, I was spending more money

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and I realized I was spending
the money on like junk food or

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like, you know, food delivery
because I was too tired to cook

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or what have you.
And it wasn't just a time thing,

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but just even just like my
brain's bandwidth to like even

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think of things, right?
Like I would have people

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approach me about, oh, there's
this cool contract opportunity

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we want to do.
Do you have time?

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And, you know, it's something I
really wanted to do, but you

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can't do that while you're in
school and you're working full

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time or what have you.
I think for me, one of the wake

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up calls for me, frankly, to be
fully transparent was also, you

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know, I'm thankful that I have
health insurance.

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And so I go to the doctor, you
know, often and was beginning to

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see that some of my health key
health metrics were not trending

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in the right direction either,
right.

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And it wasn't again, something
where my you know, my doctor was

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asking me like, oh, are you
know, are there negative things

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happening?
You know, what have you?

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And I said, I love what I do.
You know, I love what my

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schedule is filled with, but I
didn't have good boundaries up

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right like we mask kept saying
it yes to everything.

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Yeah, we mask some of those
things because we don't want

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people like in this like you're
like a, you're an associate VP.

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Like there's no possible way.
You could be burnt out or you

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could have issues.
It was like you do everything,

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you know, that kind of, that's
how I think about it.

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It is.
And I and I think that in our

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society, and you mentioned this
earlier of you know, we base a

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lot of our expectations for
ourselves and our success around

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what we do occupationally,
right?

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You know, often times when you
meet people, especially here in

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the DC area, one of the first
questions you're asked is what

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do you do for a living or go on
a date?

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Often times, right, Right.
That comes up so often, so

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funny, funny Side Story I have
to tell you, Speaking of days

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occupation, so DC is so
unserious when it comes to this,

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that when the student loan
forgiveness programs were

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happening during COVID, if you
remember, there was an income

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cap, right?
You, if you made more than

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$125,000, you know you didn't
qualify, right?

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One of the subtle questions
people began asking our first

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dates was trying to figure out
if your loans were being

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forgiven or not.
Because if you said, Oh no, I

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didn't qualify, that meant that
you were making good money,

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right?
That is crazy.

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I would never in my life think
of to ask somebody that and the

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fact that also to let's not get
into the qualifications and like

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if you're making $125,000 that
without taxes, that is not how

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much you're making.
But yeah, that's, that's that's

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crazy.
That's crazy.

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How did student loans become a
part of dating culture?

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It's it's crazy to me.
And so, you know, a lot of our

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identity, you know, is wrapped
up in that.

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And, you know, we never ask the
questions.

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We think about satisfaction in
life is like, you know, but also

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who am I in the way that I show
up to my family, to my friends,

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to my communities, to my
neighbors, right?

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Like those things are just as
important.

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And you know, of course, you
know, the job pays the bills and

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you know, this was a transition
I have been plotting for a

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couple of years now because
obviously mission alignment is

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not currency that I can use to
pay my mortgage on the 1st.

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But you know, it, it had me
thinking about the different

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ways in which we show up and
where we derive satisfaction

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from and, you know, all the
different things that are on our

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plates, how we measure our
success and our productivity.

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I mean, I think about how often
when my friends and I would go

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to brunch and we would say, how
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through the To Do List.
I did this, I cut the grass, I

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did this.
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are.
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millennials?
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worth is tied to productivity.
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millennials, we have been like
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like the world falling apart.
Like we are traumatized.

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We are traumatized.
I don't know why my parents

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chose my birthday or I feel like
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They didn't know, they didn't
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because I work a lot on the
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stuff.
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or 4 things in my head, if I
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I'm behind.
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my my own self.
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Like we are, we tie a lot of our
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and a lot of our identity to our
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Yeah, like it's who we are.
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my whole brand is L&B and jobs
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who I am.
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Sure, I say.
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It is and that was and that was
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about this trend.
You know, this transition is

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that one thing growing up that
my mom always taught me in my

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siblings is that, you know, the
whole question of what do you

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want to be when you grow up in
and of itself is a bit

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problematic because it presumes
one thing, right?

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It presumes that you're taking
one full time job that will

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typecast you, you know, into
like your career identity,

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right?
And people see you singularly

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through that lens.
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been wanting to explore a
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the same time while still
honoring my boundaries and my

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time and things like that.
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about in particular is like
being able to do to still do

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things around learning and
development, being able to still

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teach, being able to explore
leadership coaching, which is

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not something that I've even had
the time, you know, to put a lot

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of time into, even though I got
the certification a couple of

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years ago.
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all those different things and
like be a little a little bit

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more intentional with how I even
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identity.
It's something that I'm really

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excited about versus knowing me
as just, oh, that's Jerry.

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He's, you know, an associate VP
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adjunct faculty.
Here I am now many of those

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things while still trying to
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Yeah, you know what though?
I mean, like, if you think about

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it like these roles that you've
had, including that that most

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recent role to have prepared you
for what you're doing now.

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So tell us about your new
business, what what you're

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focusing on, what you're doing
so that people listening be

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like, oh, I need to call Jarrett
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this and this.
So tell us all about that.

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I'm sure we could talk about
burnout for days just so you.

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Know y'all?
Y'all got an insider look into

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the personal life of me and
Jared Carter?

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Because we are.
We are being honest.

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We burnout quickly when it comes
to all the things that we do,

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but let's tell us about your
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Absolutely.
So you know, as I mentioned

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before, collaboratics is going
to hold a few different things.

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The first part that we're
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Leadership Solutions and True
Rise is looking at, you know,

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how do we, to your point of
authenticity, how do we show up

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as leaders authentically in the
work that we do.

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I spent earlier this summer
doing a lot of research on what

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are some of the challenges, for
instance, that for, you know,

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newly incoming leaders face when
they come into the role, their

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roles, right?
And of course, with L&D

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professionals, we can guess some
of those things, right?

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The procedural things of, you
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those logistical items.
But there's this inner core part

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that I think that we don't talk
enough about, right?

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Which is like, how do I
cultivate my own leadership

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identity?
And you know, thinking back to

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when I had my first supervisory
role, they were different

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leaders I was enamored with, but
it almost fueled my own imposter

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syndrome because I felt like I
had to emulate them.

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Right.
I had to, absolutely.

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Mimic them, right?
And so I come into this role

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thinking, well, I'm not this
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I'm not that person.
How do I show up?

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And you know, coaching for me,
getting a coach is one of the

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best things that my supervisor
at the time did for me because

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it helped me to understand, yes,
these are the research based

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frameworks for leadership
development about how do you

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engender a positive team
culture, How do you bring up the

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best in people, but also how do
you do that in a way that is

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uniquely you, right?
And often times we separate who

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we are outside of work and who
we are at work, forgetting that

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we can leverage both in the ways
in which we show up, right?

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There are certain ways where,
you know, one of the limitations

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of mentorship.
And I, I have a team of mentors

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I love.
My mentors would not be where I

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am without them.
But what I go to them for is a

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little bit different than what I
go to a coach for, right?

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Because for mentors, I want to
hear about how they did what

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they did and sort of widen my
toolkit that way.

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But when I was working with my
coach, it was OK.

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These are the frameworks.
These are the success stories.

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But how do we pull the unique
things about Jared to be able to

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show up in that work?
And so one of the examples that

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come to mind is when I first
inherited this supervisory role,

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my very first supervisory role,
I had inherited this high

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profile project that was already
way over budget, already behind

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and had.
Like bottom of the ninth, two

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outs and you're up to bat.
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And then on top of that, I was,
I had some stakeholders that

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let's just say didn't have,
there were not positive politics

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that I inherited, right, in
terms of the relationships that

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I had.
So I had to quickly figure it

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out.
And at first I was trying to

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again, mimic what I saw.
And it wasn't to my coach said,

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you know, talk to me about, you
know, when you're planning your

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family's Christmas Eve party and
people have differing ideas of

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what to do, like, how do you
show up then?

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And what we kind of worked on
was then of action plan of like

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how I was going to build
relationships through trust and

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authenticity, right?
You know, there are certain

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things I broke the rules on.
You know, I am somebody that if

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I'm on a project or I'm leading
a project, and if you are

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somebody that I report to, I'm
going to give you the good, the

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bad and the ugly.
But I am going to tell you how

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we're addressing the bad and the
ugly, right?

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But I don't want you to hear
about it from somebody else.

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I'd rather you hear it from me.
And exactly.

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And sure enough of the assistant
Dean at the time, like 2 months

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into the meeting, she said, you
know, I want you to know that I

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really appreciate the fact that
a lot of people come to my

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office and are trying to play
politics and sugarcoat

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everything.
She said I appreciate that I

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always know where things stand
when you leave the office.

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And so she said, you know,
there's a certain trust that she

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had in me that, you know, she
trusted my judgement on certain

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things where things were
happening quickly.

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We need to make quick decisions.
She was on vacation and she

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said, you know what, let Jarrett
make the call.

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And so those are things where if
I was trying to mimic what I saw

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other people do, I wouldn't have
realized that.

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So when?
I got.

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That coaching, Exactly.
That level of trust.

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Exactly.
So the goal here is how do we

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find out the the intrinsic
characteristics of you as a

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person, how they show up as a
leader and then the individual

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ways in which you lead, of
course, bringing in, you know,

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evidence based leadership
principles.

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But I think that when you bring
those two together, that's how

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we show up the best as leaders.
I love that and I love the thing

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you said.
Like I definitely from a

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leadership perspective, I, I
know the good ones that I had

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and I know the, I know the
really bad ones, the toxic ones

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that I had.
And I know like, just from, you

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know, growing up and like
getting to this point to a

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director level, like I, I never
like you.

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It wasn't on my bingo card.
It wasn't on my bingo card last

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year to be the director at Ed
tech company of marketing.

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But I've learned so much in the
role with managing my team and.

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Taking myself out of the
trenches and trying to do that.

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Sometimes it doesn't happen, but
just seeing people for who they

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are and meeting them where
they're at and taking all that

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I've learned from my other
leaders, like what are the

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things that they did well?
And I really like that.

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That may align with my mission
and may align with my values or

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the things they didn't do well.
We're going to make sure that

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there's preventative measures in
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happen.
And I just want to, I think I

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want to ask a question to you
because this is something that

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comes up quite a bit.
Our team is fully remote and

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your team fully remote, I'm
assuming.

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So that creates more of a
challenge in possibly developing

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some of these relationships.
The trust, I'm not going to

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assume and say completely just,
you know, it doesn't happen

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because it does.
I mean, we've never met a

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person.
You and I are like, you know, we

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can, we know we can text each
other and we'll be there for

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support is what I'm saying.
So how do you kind of deal with

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that as a leader when it's your
remote and you have people

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everywhere all over the world
or, you know, all over the

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country?
How do you get people to like

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connect?
I'm really glad you asked that

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question because I think that
even with the growing hybrid

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work environments, that's
becoming even more of a

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challenge, right?
Because, you know, in my last

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role, I had a lot of fantastic
team members.

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Some of them were in the
building two or three days a

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week.
Some of them had never seen the

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building before.
And so you even have that.

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There's a building.
Right, right.

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And so you have that disparity
of people that I might see in

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the hallway and converse with,
how do I make sure that the

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people who are fully remote that
we have a similar rapport with.

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And I have, I can't say that I
have totally figured it out, but

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what I have found that works is
that there is no single solution

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for every team because I think
much in the ways that our

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buildings were not designed
uniformly across, you know,

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different companies, right?
Different buildings were

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designed differently for the
culture.

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I think that our online
infrastructure needs to be

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responsive to, you know, our
teams there, right?

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So it can be things like I'm
very intentional when I was

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doing my one-on-one,
particularly with my remote team

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to not just, oh, let's just get
straight to business, you know,

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to the extent that they wanted
to share about, you know what.

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There's something I do.
I got to stop doing that.

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Well, it requires
intentionality, right?

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Yeah, it does.
And that's also authenticity as

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well, because you I am generally
interested in what other people

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are doing.
I know you are because I like I

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said, we've never met in person
and we know so much about each

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other's lives that probably more
than some people that I see face

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to face, you know, more often.
And you know, but what I found

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is that, you know, even building
in that time to say like, how

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was your weekend?
And you know, and not putting

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them on the spot to make them
share more than they wanted to

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share, of course.
But, you know, if they want to

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talk about, you know, attract me
that one of their kids had or

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whatever, you know, being, you
know, learning about that and,

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you know, learning the names as
they're telling me stories that,

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you know, it became less generic
about, oh, how's your daughters

446
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:17,560
track me doing?
And, you know, being a little

447
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,280
bit more specific to say, Hey,
how's how did Kaylee track meet

448
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,080
go?
And then also my for myself as

449
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,000
well, right, You know, being a
little bit more of instead of

450
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,920
just saying, yeah, I had a good
weekend, you know, saying, oh, I

451
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,840
had a good weekend.
I was at the Cowboy Carter

452
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,240
concert or I would.
You know, I did this or I did.

453
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,240
Always going to work Beyoncé
into our episode.

454
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,760
Just always, anytime.
Every single time.

455
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,400
When the Act Three album comes
out, I'll be back and I will

456
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,480
work in some sort of rock music
influence or what have you.

457
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,360
But yeah, like helping people to
see, you know who I am.

458
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,200
So it was to the point that, you
know, there was 1 remote team

459
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,800
member I had where we actually
intentionally extended our one

460
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,200
on ones to be a little bit
longer because I had to

461
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,920
recognize that, you know, as
much as I say I'm just a team's

462
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,520
chat away, you know, we were in
the building and you see my

463
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,440
doors open.
You're more likely to walk in

464
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,800
and ask me a question than you
are if you see that my team's

465
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,720
icon is showing green and it's
just like, well, is he actually

466
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,680
free?
You know, is he doing this or is

467
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,720
he doing that?
So I think that in the same

468
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,120
holds true for the team, team
wide as well, right?

469
00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,280
There are some teams that I've
LED where early in the pandemic

470
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,800
where we would do virtual happy
hours or we would do game nights

471
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,400
or what have you.
And then I shifted and began

472
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,520
managing another team.
And a lot of them that was

473
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,360
harder to do because that's when
their kids were getting off of

474
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,240
school and they needed to go get
their kids from the school.

475
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,760
But so we would do maybe
lunchtime socials or early

476
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:46,040
morning socials.
So it, I think that again, I

477
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,200
think it's one of those things
where you kind of have to learn

478
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,800
your team and see like what they
respond well to and then kind of

479
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,600
like that positive
reinforcement, just keep doing

480
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,040
more of that.
But it's something that I think

481
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,520
we have to be really intentional
about.

482
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,840
And I think hybrid is going to
add to that delicacy of that

483
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,960
balance even more because now
you have people that you're

484
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,520
seeing in the building and that
you don't.

485
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,080
Yeah, that's it.
It definitely is a huge

486
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,240
challenge, but you can
definitely feel the connection

487
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,840
through the screen.
Like people are like you can't

488
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,600
feel that.
I totally feel it.

489
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,120
Like some of my very best
friends that I collaborate with

490
00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,520
daily, weekly come from LinkedIn
world.

491
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,680
I mean, in the maybe we should,
I should have you talk since you

492
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,040
went from like you got your
supervisor role, you were an

493
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,480
associate VP, now you're
starting your own business.

494
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,040
Talk to us about how important
it is to network and how that

495
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,200
helps you get to the this point
in your life where you're like,

496
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,560
you feel good enough about
yourself and you have the

497
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,120
confidence and then you push the
imposter system aside.

498
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,400
How does how do you get there?
How do you do that?

499
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:53,280
It is so funny you said that
because I'm actually, so by the

500
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,520
time this records, everything
will be fully online.

501
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:59,440
But I'm refining a couple of
content pieces that I'm going to

502
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,160
be posting.
And one of them is you have to

503
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,760
give people the opportunity to
help you, right?

504
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,880
And I think that it's so easy
for us sometimes to feel like,

505
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,280
oh, I'm doing this thing.
I'm waiting for somebody to come

506
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,200
save you or come help me.
But if we don't invite people in

507
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,880
and tell them what we're doing,
they're never going to have the

508
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,080
opportunity to help.
And networking has been my

509
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,320
Achilles heel for the longest
time because again, it was

510
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:26,600
something where, you know, I was
taking my cues from salespeople,

511
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,280
right?
And so, you know, and my

512
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,240
authenticity self, I like, I
struggle with reaching out and

513
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,520
pretending that I was really
just thinking about you.

514
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,440
And the truth is I'm trying to
make a deal, right?

515
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,280
And so it was something that I
struggled with until again, kind

516
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320
of the same coaching frameworks
took some time to step back and

517
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:49,840
reflect on okay, outside of
work, if I need something, if I

518
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,760
need to network, how do I manage
my relationships right?

519
00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:56,280
And you know, one of those
things is, for instance, like my

520
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960
friends know that, you know, I'm
not always quick to text back

521
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,640
because I just can't.
But I.

522
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,880
Know, like, I mean, I know
you're mine is it's like sitting

523
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,720
right here and like people, I'm
like when I'm right, it's not

524
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,480
going off.
When I'm in a podcast recording,

525
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,120
my sister's calling me telling
me that she's excited to see me

526
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,640
because she's on the way down to
the southeast.

527
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,720
And I'm like, you had to call me
for that.

528
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,640
Right, so.
Like those distractions, like

529
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,560
that's a conversation for
another day.

530
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,040
But yeah, networking.
That's a whole, yeah, that's a

531
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:29,760
whole conversation in and of
itself.

532
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,040
But I was thinking about then
like, So what with my friends,

533
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
how do I network, right?
You know, take away the business

534
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,680
side of it and I'm the friend,
though, that will send you a

535
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,320
random text at like 2:00 in the
afternoon and say, hey, I was

536
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,800
just thinking about you.
Hope all is well and there's no

537
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,240
I.
Love those texts from you by the

538
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,080
way.
Thank you.

539
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,840
But it honors my authenticity of
in that moment, I really didn't

540
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,400
want anything.
But as Brené Brown would say,

541
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,520
you know, you're you're putting
gems in the jar, right?

542
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,160
Or you putting those pebbles in
the jar, right?

543
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,200
So that when I do reach out and
I'm a little bit more upfront

544
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,280
about like, hey, how are you
doing?

545
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,320
I just started a business and I
was wondering if you had any

546
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,760
connects here because I was
cultivating those relationships

547
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,640
all along the way.
I can then more authentically

548
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,720
reach out versus, you know, I'm
sure you get this all the time

549
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,200
on LinkedIn, the people saying,
hey, I just want to pick your

550
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,840
brain for 5 minutes.
And then they're pitching a half

551
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,600
million dollar product and
saying, you know, how soon can

552
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,520
you contract this?
And I'm saying there's a whole

553
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,960
budgeting season for this, like,
you know, so I've learned that,

554
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:35,920
again, it's one of those things
that, like, it's super

555
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,160
important, but it doesn't mean
that you have to do it in the

556
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,160
ways that you've seen other
people do it.

557
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,160
And I might get in trouble with
this with some of my colleagues,

558
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,200
but you know who a good
brainstorming partner is to

559
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,160
figure out your approach.
Who?

560
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,240
ChatGPT.
Yes, I agree with you.

561
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,560
I do not disagree with that.
Because I.

562
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,840
Mean I'm not going to get to the
point like that guy that asked

563
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,680
ChatGPT to marry him.
I mean, we have a really good

564
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,160
rapport with each other, but no.
Yeah, we have a good report, you

565
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,400
know, chat, she refers me by the
my first name.

566
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,400
I love even the audio.
Like I can brainstorm in the car

567
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,280
using Bluetooth and we'll just
be conversing back and forth.

568
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,520
I love it.
But I will tell it like based on

569
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,320
everything you know about me,
this is, you know, there's this

570
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,440
networking reception I'm going
to, you know, I hate these.

571
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,960
What are some things, right?
And it gave me a lot of actually

572
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040
really good advice that was
contextual to the event that I

573
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,640
was going to.
So now I'm a little bit more

574
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,640
open about going to some of
these networking things.

575
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,320
And then you realize, you get
out of your head and you realize

576
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,440
that the majority of people want
to help, right?

577
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880
And the majority?
Know somebody that knows

578
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,520
somebody, they're going to
connect you to something else.

579
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:48,000
Yeah, I think that we just the
fear so much then to that like

580
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,800
just just getting started just
have a little chat.

581
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,760
But going back to the LinkedIn
message with Sharon, you would

582
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,480
not believe the cesspool of dare
I say shit that I get in my

583
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,680
LinkedIn messages.
Jen, we'll have to edit that out

584
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,320
or bleep it or whatever.
But I think the other part of

585
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,840
networking is making sure that
you understand where the other

586
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,960
person is coming from and what
their journey has been.

587
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:19,160
Because at least five times a
week, if not more, I get, can

588
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,360
you review my resume?
And they don't even say hi or

589
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,600
can you, can you provide us some
support with, you know, we're

590
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,400
starting a new Ed tech company.
Can you, you know, and then they

591
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,120
want my services for free And
I'm like, that's my time.

592
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,800
Right.
That's sorry the puppies.

593
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,640
I was like, that's my time.
Exactly.

594
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,040
You know, and, and I, I cannot,
I dare I say hate.

595
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,480
I just, I totally dislike the
fact that people, number one,

596
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,360
they don't honor your time.
Number 2, they don't even think

597
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,320
about compensation and #3 when
they do compensate you, some

598
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,640
people don't pay you on time.
They don't.

599
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,440
And one of the things that I've
learned too, and this is a

600
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,120
little hack that I've learned
when people come to me with

601
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
those kinds of things because to
your point, you know, I've had

602
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,080
people out of the blue that I
haven't spoken to a year as, oh,

603
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,440
I need a letter of reference for
this particular job.

604
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120
Oh, when is it needed?
Oh, this week, today, tomorrow,

605
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:15,840
right?
And I'm sitting here thinking

606
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,960
like, put yourself in the other
person's shoes for a moment,

607
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,000
right?
Like I was just coming back from

608
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
a conference.
I was already behind on this,

609
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,800
that and the third.
But one of the things that I've

610
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:29,560
also done even in terms of like
when I am able to help, right,

611
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,280
is giving people an action item
to show that they're actually

612
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,680
invested in this too.
Because one of the things that I

613
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,560
found is that sometimes people
reach out and they want all this

614
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,200
free advice, they want all this,
but they're really just kind of

615
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,440
mining.
They're not actually doing

616
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,600
anything with it, right.
So to your point on the resume

617
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,800
review, I, I've had a couple of
like, you know, maybe like a

618
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,360
friend of a family member or
somebody like that, reach out

619
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,160
and right.
But then what I'll say though,

620
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,600
even then is, hey, here's a cool
article on like these are the

621
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,360
key things that your resume
needs to include.

622
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800
First of all, this is a resume
template that I've used.

623
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,480
Go back, apply that.
And then let's talk.

624
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640
When I tell you that 90% of the
time they don't come back.

625
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,960
Yeah.
You know, but you have to be,

626
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,040
you have to be respectful of
other people's time.

627
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,080
People want to help, but you
have to help them help you Don't

628
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,320
make somebody a reference,
right, right.

629
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,200
Don't make somebody a reference
for a job.

630
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:29,240
And then I get this random, you
know, 2O2 number calling me and

631
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,920
I'm in Trader Joe's thinking
that that's, you know, my dry

632
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,560
cleaner saying that my clothes
are ready.

633
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,560
And then it's saying so and so
is applying for a job and they

634
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,480
answer me all these questions.
Then first I'm trying to

635
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,560
understand what is the job?
Who is this reference for?

636
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,560
It's little considerate things
like that.

637
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,120
That is just help them help you.
Yes, exactly.

638
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Help them help you for sure.
And I think it's, I know, but we

639
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,960
are not the saviors.
No, as much as I wanna be like a

640
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,280
St. or whatever, I can give you
all the advice in the world.

641
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,640
I can share all the resources,
and I love sharing resources and

642
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,880
crowdsourcing all that stuff.
What I cannot do for you is do

643
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,800
the work for you to get to the
point where you need to be.

644
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,560
I love being the person that you
think of when you need some

645
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,600
support.
I love being that person and I

646
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,800
will be here to listen to you,
but I am not going to be the

647
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,880
person that is responsible for
doing the work for you.

648
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,920
If I am doing some of the work
for you and support, you're

649
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,120
going to pay me.
Exactly.

650
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,520
Exactly.
That's always such.

651
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,360
A hard one at the other way
around as well, right?

652
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,080
You know.
Right, right.

653
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,000
Yeah, you're asking people to
provide for one thing if I'm

654
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,560
quickly.
This is Real Talk episode.

655
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:45,080
I'm putting Real Talk at the
beginning.

656
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,280
Of this is real talk and I love
it because I do.

657
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,600
There's also the fact that even
if I'm able to do something

658
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
quickly, you're not paying me
just for the time that it took

659
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,040
me to do it.
But all the energy that I've put

660
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,240
in perfecting my craft to be
able to get to the point that I

661
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,320
can quickly spit out certain
things, right.

662
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,840
And so, you know, when you get
into the when you're getting to

663
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,240
the place of like people doing
the work for you or these really

664
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,800
detailed ass, you know, it's not
fair to expect people to do that

665
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,320
for free.
Because understand too that

666
00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:18,080
that's time that I'm taking away
from either my career, that's

667
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,040
time I'm taking away.
That could be at the gym, that

668
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,040
could be with my family, that I
can be with friends or what have

669
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,120
you.
And so I have to be also very

670
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,280
intentional in where I shift my
time.

671
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:34,000
For sure, for sure.
Oh my gosh, you could probably

672
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,040
talk about this all day long.
I know every time we talk.

673
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,760
It's like enlightening.
Every time we talk, I don't even

674
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,400
feel like we're recording a
podcast episode.

675
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,400
I feel like we're sitting here
just talking to each other.

676
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,480
I'm drinking my little protein
milkshake and we're just hanging

677
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,760
out talking about Beyoncé and
being entrepreneurs and all that

678
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,159
stuff.
But we're coming up on the end

679
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,960
of the episode, as sad as I am
about that, cuz I have a feeling

680
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,880
those who are listening right
now, they want more.

681
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,640
So we're gonna leave them
wanting more from you, Jared,

682
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,440
and they can reach out to you.
So people who are thinking

683
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,440
about, I love transitioning
teachers.

684
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,200
I am a transition teacher and
they're thinking about possibly

685
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,200
starting a career and learning
and development or maybe

686
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,280
possibly going out on their own.
What are three pieces of advice

687
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,480
you've already given some that
you have for them to get

688
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,600
started?
And I'm really sorry that my

689
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,920
puppy is playing with his duck
toy.

690
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,400
That sounds like it's dying.
So three pieces of advice,

691
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,520
Jarrett, tell us.
Tell us what they are.

692
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,160
So #1 you know, derive a little
bit of a derivative of something

693
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,200
I had said earlier is that we
are entire complex human beings.

694
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,120
And I think that oftentimes our
imposter syndrome comes in

695
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,880
because we're trying to see
ourselves in this fixed

696
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,960
capacity, and we don't.
And we miss the forest for the

697
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,680
trees of seeing who we are
totally.

698
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,200
If you are the family planner
for all the family reunions and

699
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,120
the Christmas holiday parties
and what have you, you have

700
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,880
project management skills,
right?

701
00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:02,240
If you are often the one that's
mediating family disputes or

702
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,200
whatever, that's conflict
resolution, that is, that is,

703
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:06,520
you know, that's leadership,
right?

704
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,040
And so think about how you show
up as a totality of yourself and

705
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,120
then advocate for yourself from
there, right?

706
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,200
A lot of times, you know, when I
talk to transitioning teachers,

707
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,520
you know, they're looking at Oh
well the job description says

708
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,920
this, I haven't done that.
When the reality of it is that I

709
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,440
could never.
I did 1 field work placement in

710
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,680
an elementary school and that
killed all of my dreams of being

711
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,000
an.
Elementary school teacher.

712
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,720
And so I have, you know, I've
hired transitioning teachers and

713
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:36,880
they have been fantastic.
But the one thing I've seen in

714
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,560
interviews oftentimes is again,
like sort of trying to do a 1 to

715
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,400
1 transfer thing because my
experience doesn't match the

716
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,120
letter of what you have in the
job description.

717
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,480
It's not there.
I promise you it's there.

718
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,520
The next bit of advice I would
say is, you know, get out there

719
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,640
and talk to people.
You know, there are a lot of

720
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,520
people who I think are on
similar journeys.

721
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,440
You know, even myself with this
business, I have a few people

722
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,640
that I've been talking to and
we've been accountability

723
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,400
buddies with each other, sharing
back and forth resources.

724
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,280
The reality of it is that there
is room in the pie for all of us

725
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,840
to eat.
We don't have to compete with

726
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,920
others or what have you.
So, you know, network, you know,

727
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,080
find, find your people, find the
people who will encourage you at

728
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,080
parts where you may be
discouraged.

729
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,880
And the last thing that I will
say is think creatively about

730
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,800
again, how you how you present
yourself, how your, how you

731
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,600
search for jobs.
You know, AI is changing a whole

732
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,240
lot in terms of even the ways.
Even get an AI.

733
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,600
We can do a whole series on AI.
We didn't.

734
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,720
Even get into that part.
But I feel like the audience

735
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,600
right now is also getting a
glimpse into what our phone

736
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,480
calls sound like because we've
literally been on the phone for

737
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200
like two or three hours and
probably could have recorded

738
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,800
like 12 episodes.
Yes, absolutely.

739
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,280
I think we should do it more
like this.

740
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,760
First of all, I want to say I
admire you.

741
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,680
And I'm not just saying that
because we're on air and

742
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,200
recording.
I truly admire you.

743
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,640
And I know you reached out to me
like it was back in February or

744
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,000
March and I was having a really
bad day that day and you reached

745
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,480
out and said hello.
And that changed my whole, my

746
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,840
whole day.
It's like literally just a text

747
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,000
message from a friend saying,
hey, I'm thinking about you.

748
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,560
It changed my whole perspective
of the day and I had a better

749
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,880
day after that.
I was like, thank God for Jared

750
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,240
because I was asked about to.
Hurt somebody.

751
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:25,960
Thank you.
Well, now, now I need now I need

752
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,240
to reciprocate and tell you
something you did that I don't

753
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:29,560
know that I told you you did for
me too.

754
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,720
That made a big deal.
You texted me the week after I

755
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,680
put in my notice at my job,
Right?

756
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:37,600
And you know, as I said, you
know, I have a lot of fond

757
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,120
feelings for UMGC and you know,
it was a difficult decision.

758
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,600
So I began to get into my head a
little bit once because there's

759
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,920
something about putting in a
resignation letter that like you

760
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,720
begin pressure testing your
whole plan.

761
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,000
And I said, nobody's going to
want to work with me anymore

762
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,480
because, you know, I'm just as
freelancer now before, like it

763
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,160
meant something that I was in
this role.

764
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960
So when you had texted me and
you said, how are you doing?

765
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,240
And I said, you know, I told you
that I was leaving or whatever,

766
00:39:03,240 --> 00:39:04,880
And then you still said, I want
you on the podcast.

767
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,080
And I said, just so you know, I
won't be work.

768
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,400
I'm not going to have this fancy
title when I when we were

769
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,800
recording, you were said no,
that's why I want to have you

770
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,800
here.
And I think that again, in a

771
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,680
place like DC where our our job
titles are currency, our job

772
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,080
titles are even currency.
Going back to dating, like

773
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,720
that's a whole nother thing.
When you explain, I have to

774
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:27,800
explain what I do now on a date
that was actually incredibly

775
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,360
validating and that picked me up
for like the rest of the week.

776
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,840
So I'm so glad that.
I don't care what your title is,

777
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,920
you're gonna come on the podcast
because it's gonna be a freaking

778
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,960
awesome.
This is a great episode.

779
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,800
There's so much packed into
this, like 30 minutes that we

780
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,760
chatted that people can take
away that's gonna resonate with

781
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,320
them.
So tell people where they can

782
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,880
connect with you.
Where can they find you, Jared?

783
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,680
We're gonna have everything in
the show notes, you know, send

784
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,360
us the website to your business.
We want to have it all there.

785
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,720
So tell us where.
Tell the audience where they can

786
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,040
find you.
So first of all, LinkedIn is

787
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,400
like, and I think it's where you
and I first even got to meet

788
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,680
each other, right?
So LinkedIn, I'm going to be,

789
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,720
I'm going to become more active
there again.

790
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:13,160
So you find me at
jaredcarteryoucanfindmealso@jaredcarter.com,

791
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,280
which will have links to
collaboratics to true RISE

792
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,600
leadership solutions.
I am also getting into my

793
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,840
content creator bag as the kids
would say.

794
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:29,640
So I if you find me on
Instagram, it's DRJARCARI.

795
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,320
Might be renamed that
afterwards, but it should

796
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,040
redirect.
There's going to be more

797
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:34,840
content.
I'm going to begin posting there

798
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,600
as well.
I did my test for I did the

799
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,000
shitty first draft over the
weekend.

800
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,480
I just did a a a point of view
video of me making macaroni and

801
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,120
cheese for a game night just to
see how all the apps work and it

802
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,040
came together to work.
There's going to be in the month

803
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,680
of August, there's going to be
daily post on some daily

804
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,360
reflections as I can't.
Wait.

805
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,720
I gotta sign your.
Instagram, I can't wait.

806
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,600
Well, thank you so much.
It's always a pleasure talking

807
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,040
to you.
It's always it's always

808
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,440
uplifting and lightning and
like, you know, truth bombs like

809
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,960
we need the real talk like
there's so many times where I

810
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,400
could have used some real talk
instead of some sugar coating

811
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,240
just to provide perspective.
So thank you for being my

812
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:17,640
friend, being on my show.
And I never care what your title

813
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,640
is.
You know, all kinds of people

814
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,240
walks alive, come on the show
and everybody has a story to

815
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:24,040
share.
So I'm so glad you were able to

816
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:25,960
come back and and talk about
where you're at.

817
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,960
Thank you.
Thank you.

818
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,320
Thanks for spending a few
minutes with Holly.

819
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,400
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packed.

820
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,400
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821
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,680
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00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,480
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826
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,720
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00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,520
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828
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,200
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829
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,200
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00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,880
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