169: You’re Not Just a Teacher: Lisa Harding’s Blueprint for Career Reinvention

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Hey there, Ed up L&D fam.
I'm your host, Tally Owens and I

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cannot wait for you to hear this
episode because I've got one of

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my favorite people joining me
today, Lisa Harding.

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Lisa is not just a LinkedIn
friend, colleague and

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collaborator.
She's also the Co founder of the

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Teacher Career Transition
Academy and she's on a mission

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to help educators build the next
chapter of their professional

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lives with clarity and
confidence.

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In this episode, we go deep.
Lisa shares her journey from the

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Ed tech world where she rose to
the role of CEO to launching her

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own business that supports
transitioning teachers

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throughout every step of their
career pivot.

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We talk about mindset, talk
about clarity before action and

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why your first job out of
teaching.

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Teaching is rarely your last
stop.

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You'll hear practical advice,
real talk about up, the

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emotional toll of leaving the
classroom, and why networking,

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not resumes, is what moves the
needle in today's job market.

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This conversation is packed with
wisdom, heart, and that no fluff

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encouragement so many of us need
when we're making a big leap.

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So if you're transitioning
teacher, career shifter, or just

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need some motivation to believe
in your next move, this one's

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for you.
Let's dive in.

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Hello everyone and welcome to

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another amazing episode of add
up learning and development.

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My name is Holly Owens and I'm
your host and I have a very good

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friend and guest and colleague
all the things LinkedIn

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connection here with me today I
have Lisa Harding.

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So, Lisa, welcome to the show.
Hi Holly, I am so excited to be

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here.
I am so excited for you to tell

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us all about your journey, what
you're currently doing with your

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teacher.
Make sure I say it right because

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I get the words mixed up
sometimes.

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I don't want to mess it up, so
I'll let you talk about it.

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So let's start at the beginning.
Tell us about your journey into

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learning development.
You know, I kind of, you know, I

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stopped your LinkedIn profile.
You were doing something a

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little bit different before you
jumped into this, this Academy

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space and helping transitioning
teachers.

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So tell us about your journey.
Where did you start and where

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you are now?
Sure.

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Well, well, thanks, Holly.
Just a shout out to the power of

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networking, because Holly and I
met on LinkedIn and we've done

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various projects together over
the course without ever meeting

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in real life.
And I think that's just a great

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test to the power of networking.
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For sure.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.

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So my journey where I am now is
a proud and excited Co founder

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of the teacher career transition
Academy, which is an online

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coaching program that helps
teachers find new roles outside

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the classroom.
But that venture is about 3

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years old for me.
So let's rewind and how did I

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get where I I am?
I like to go all the way back

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and just say my parents were
both school teachers.

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They met teaching in public
education.

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All my aunts and cousins were
school teachers and and it kind

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of runs in the family, right?
So there was this thought that

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like I would just be a teacher
because everyone else was, but I

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took a little bit of a different
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After college, I went directly
to work for an Ed tech company.

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Specifically, it was a company
in the teacher professional

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development space, online
learning and CE US.

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If you're a teacher and you've
done online CE US, you may have

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worked with me or my company in
the past.

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I worked there for 15 years.
I had various roles at the

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company, but I'd say probably
what I'm most honored to say

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that I did there was the last
five years that I was at the

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company, I served as their CEO
and I interviewed, recruited,

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hired and worked with career
transitioning teachers.

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And at the time, I just thought
that was part of my job and I

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just had that experience.
Well, Fast forward, I wanted to

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focus on my family and myself.
So I stepped down from my role

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as CEO and I thought that was
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I was going to be a stay at home
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family.
And I realized that I really

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missed working with teachers.
And I guess teachers missed

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working with me.
Folks started reaching out to me

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on LinkedIn asking about how to
get jobs in the Ed tech space.

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And I think that's kind of how
it all organically started for

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me.
And I started just chatting to

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folks about, you know, tips and
tricks that from my perspective

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on the other side of the hiring
table that I saw with

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transitioning teachers.
And one thing led to another.

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I ended up getting my career
coaching certification.

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And here we are, three years
later with the Teacher Career

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Transition Academy.
And it's, it's grown so much

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since you started it.
You know, I, I really want to

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commend you on that and I love
the fact that you have all the

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experience of like the CEO of
the marketing, like you truly

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have what it takes to like what
you're doing and building this.

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So it's really cool that you got
that experience.

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It's like you're just, you just
started another path.

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You just started another career
and it's so neat to kind of see

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that come to fruition for you.
Thank you.

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Yeah.
I never in a million years would

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I thought that I would be doing
this, but here we are.

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And now I truly just can't
imagine doing anything else.

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I feel like everything before
this was leading me to this half

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and that just feels really good.
Yes 100% I love it that you said

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that because I feel like every
career or job you have is just a

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stepping stone to something
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Like I had no idea in 2011 when
I left teaching that and getting

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into e-learning development that
that was going to help me land a

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role like Amazon or any of these
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It's crazy, isn't it?
People are like it's, you know,

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everything happens, happens for
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I really do feel like careers do
that, jobs and roles and such.

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Yeah.
And when it aligns so naturally,

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I think the other thing is just
the passion.

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And if the passion is there, and
I've always been someone to

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follow the passion, I feel like
that makes a big difference too.

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Yeah.
So as you know, many of the

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listeners here, we have the bulk
of them, our transitioning

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teachers are they're looking to
navigate career shifts into this

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learning and development state,
this place where there's just a

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vast amount of different roles.
Like I did a LinkedIn recently

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live where I talked about all
the different roles in L&D.

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So what's like 1 pivotal
decision or a turning point that

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really just kind of changed
everything for you?

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And can you put that into a
perspective where you're telling

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the listeners and giving them
kind of advice on like how to do

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this because you're successful
at it?

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And that's what people want.
They want to be successful at

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it.
At at creating like your own.

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Yeah, creating your own little
journey, but even to your, you

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know, the L&D space just from
being in this career Academy

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because a lot of your teachers
come into this and they want to

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be instructional designers.
So like, what can people do?

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Like talk about a point where
it's like, this is what changed

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for me, and then talk about a
point where like maybe this is

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something that they could do to
make it change for them.

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That's a hard question.
I'm putting you on the spot.

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Yes.
And I'm trying to see like which

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angle to take here, but I, I
think clarity before action is

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really important.
So whether you want to get into

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a career and learning and
development or you want to start

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your own business where you're
putting your learning and

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development skills into
practice, I think either of

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those avenues or maybe it's you
don't know what career you want

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yet and maybe it's not in
learning development.

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But whatever the next step is, I
think clarity before action is

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so important because you need to
know where you want to go before

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you get there.
And I think I mean, in the world

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of development and even software
development, there's you know, a

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saying it's like for every hour
spent pre planning is like 10

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hours, you're going to save and
development.

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And I think the same is true
with your career.

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So the more you can spend really
niching down to figure out

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what's going to make you happy,
where are your true strengths?

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Where's that intersection of
passion and skill?

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And then lots of research and
exploring.

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If you can do all of that before
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you'll save yourself a lot of
time, I think.

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I say the same things to the
some of the people that I talked

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to, you know, having those 15
minute coffee chats with is like

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they'll come in and they'll say
like, I want to be in learning

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and development and I'm like,
well, what part learning and

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development do you want to be
in?

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I think it's difficult.
Like you're not just going into

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like a say a software engineer
role where that's like a, you

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have a strict set of structure
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You know, what kind of
credentials do you need?

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Learning and development is seen
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So you really have to figure
out, am I going on the corporate

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track?
Am I going to stay a little bit

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in the education realm?
Am I doing freelance?

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Am I doing government?
So I think that's really.

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Oh boy, my computer's been
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those for those of you listening
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a mind of its own.
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Still all different kinds of
stuff.

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So the clarity before action is
really, really, really great

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advice.
So, you know, before, like you

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were going into starting up your
Academy, what did you learn from

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just listening to the
transitioning teachers group?

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Like what are some of the things
that people are coming into

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Academy and saying?
Like what do they really need?

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I'm thinking in particular like
the experience of talking to

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teachers, they come from a lot
of trauma in the classroom.

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And before they can really have
that clarity before action, they

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have to kind of deal with that.
So what are some of the

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commonalities and similarities
that people are coming in with

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and like asking you consistently
about?

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Yeah, and that's definitely at
the forefront of every single

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conversation.
I mean, because teachers can go

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in so many different career
paths, but at the very beginning

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of it, it seems like everyone
has the same struggles.

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And we kind of break it down
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Academy.
And step one is mindset.

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And it's mindset for a reason.
A lot of people want to skip it,

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Holly.
And I'm like, don't skip this.

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And a lot of times, a lot of
times the suggestion is for some

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folks, it's, you know, you may
want to actually get like

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professional help and you may
need it even after you

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transition.
Because just depending on your

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environment, there can be like
real trauma that has happened.

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There can be real physical
burnout that you might need a

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doctor for.
But they're the kind of the

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common things there is the guilt
of leaving.

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Everyone kind of suffers from
that.

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And I did not leave a classroom
setting, but I left a company

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that I worked at for 15 years
and they felt like family too.

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And I even know the emotional
side of making a career

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transition with guilt and
emotion.

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So I can't even imagine what
that would be like with a

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teacher with little, like with
children, because the bond there

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is even more emotional than I
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adults.
So there's that guilt and like

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navigating through that, there
is also realizing yourself

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worth.
So many times we hear the phrase

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like just a teacher or people
say I'm just a teacher.

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Those who can't teach.
Those that can't do teach, like

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why do we say that?
Like teachers are phenomenal and

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they don't even realize.
They don't even realize it

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sometimes.
So it's believing in yourself,

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imposter syndrome, thinking that
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There's just really a big
emotional and mental side of any

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life change and especially a
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For sure.
And I just remember coming out

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and like you said, you pointed
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you know, you feel this ultimate
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students and like, making their
lives better and you develop

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these connections with them.
And now you don't know, like, I

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work in a very tough district.
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like, they didn't have lunch
money, they didn't eat

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breakfast, they, you know, stuff
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of yourself.
That is such a difficult

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transition.
It's a lot to deal with.

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I also coached field hockey, so
I had to leave, you know, the

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field hockey through and, and
you know, I really wanted to

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just have a different, different
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So I'm so glad that's one of the
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that mindset shift, because you
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before you can focus on where
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space and, and having this
career success, this career

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transition be something that's
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that you want to do.
Speaking of that, all too many

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times, I don't know if you've
experienced this with working

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with transitioning teachers, but
people take the first job right

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out of the gate sometimes.
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something that I think you
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And they take a pay cut.
So how do you feel about how do

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you navigate that when people
ask you like, OK, should I just,

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I took this job, it's it's a
lower salary, but it's getting

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my foot in the door.
So how, how can we kind of

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mitigate doing that and then
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different role?
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And I think the reason it's so
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individual is in a very
different place, Like we're all

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the same or they're all the same
because they want to, they're

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transitioning teachers that want
to change, But everyone's

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personal situation, financial
situation, like is all very

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different.
And those are the practical

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aspects of a career change that
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So I like to talk a lot about
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And to me, a bridge job is
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is that stepping stone.
But to me, bridge jobs are ones

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that are like easier to walk
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And so you're not necessarily
like job hopping, but it's there

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as a bridge and no one really
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being a bridge.
So that could be like a great

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example, like working at Costco
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year and you can be upfront with
them, like I'm going to nanny

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for a year because I need to get
out of the classroom, but I

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don't know what my next career
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So I, I look at those as bridge
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knowing they're not the end all
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When you're talk, when you're
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though, that's a harder, that's
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sometimes you might want to take
that lower level job to get your

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foot in the door and then jump
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But if you have, again, clarity
before action, if you follow

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that, I would say the clarity
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the jobs that really maybe you
should be going for, if that

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makes sense.
That makes sense and a lot of

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people do.
I love it.

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You have names for all the
things that I talk about.

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So now I'm going to be stealing
your terms to talk about things

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that I normally talk about.
So I'm like, it's the first job

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out since the first thing that
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But the bridge job makes sense.
And one of the things I kind of

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want to, you know, hone in for
the listeners is that your first

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job out of it isn't.
It's not your last stop.

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Like, I feel like people put so
many of their eggs in one

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basket.
Sometimes they're like I just

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because teaching was supposed to
be a lifetime thing, right?

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I put all my, I just want this
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But it's not because you're
going to learn so much

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throughout your career.
So take as much of that in as

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you can in that role.
Do the PD, learn the tools, and

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then set yourself up for success
for that next position or that

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career position that you're
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Yeah, and that's a big
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We have a lot too, because like
as you pointed out in education,

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I mean, if you want to know what
you're going to be making in 10

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years, all you have to do is go
to the Department of Education

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website if you're a public
school teacher and you know what

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your job and what you're going
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Exactly.
It's not like that in the

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corporate world.
And obviously I'm not a fan.

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Like, I'm not going to say, Oh
yeah, you should be job jumping

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all the time.
But I mean, just look at my

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career.
I was at the same company for 15

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years.
I literally had to beg, beg to

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get my first job there.
Like they did not want to hire

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me.
And I was like yeah cuz I was

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going for a role above what they
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And they had a lower role open.
And I was like, I can't survive

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on that one.
Like, please give me a chance.

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And then I was running the
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That's crazy.
Like, I mean, how did that even

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happen?
But it's because in corporate

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America, you get your foot in
the door and all of these

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opportunities open.
Like your mind going from

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teaching into corporate America
is going to be like, it's going

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to explode because you're like,
oh, I didn't know that that was

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a department.
Like, oh, what does that

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department do?
Like what's your job?

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Like you're just introduced to
so many new aspects and

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companies are growing and
changing all the time and they

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love to promote from within.
So your first job is literally

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just like getting your foot in
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the limit.
Yeah, I think that speaks to

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another thing too, that we
really need to tell the

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listeners in the community of
transitioning teachers is that

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you're worth it.
And the fact that don't take

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like a lower pay to where you
can't live, you know, really

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advocate for yourself in those
higher roles.

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Like like you said, you became
CEO.

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So it's possible to do that.
Give yourself a seat at the

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table.
Give yourself the opportunity to

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really take your teaching
experience and put that to use

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in those transferable skills.
I think one of the things that

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is so challenging as a teacher
transitioning teachers get

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complacent in the fact that
they're like or imposter center,

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like I just can't do this, so
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So how do you feel or how do you
help people when they're looking

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at roles and they're like, I
don't know if I'm exactly

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qualified this, but they're they
probably are.

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How do you encourage them or
motivate them this kind of see

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that they should be taking these
chances?

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Yeah, it goes back to, like
working on, you know, your view

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of yourself and what your skills
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I love doing just an inventory.
Like, I think a great exercise,

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just when you start doing this,
write down everything that you

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rock at, like everything that
you're good at.

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And then maybe ask peers, a
friend, a family member, like

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write down everything awesome
about you.

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And I think when you see it on
paper, you start to realize,

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like, wow, I really do have a
lot of amazing skills.

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And then what you can do is look
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Description And as you hone your
transferable skills and you

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start making connections between
the skills you have in a

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classroom and you start to see
how they relate in corporate

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America, just go line by line in
a job description and say like,

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do I do that?
Yes, but how is it different?

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OK, well, how can I rephrase
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And I think you just start to
build your confidence that you

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can do it too.
I think another thing to help

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build confidence is surround
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have done it or positive people
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So, you know, following you,
Holly on, on, on.

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Following you, Lisa too.
Yeah.

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And but but really, again,
clarity first is following the

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people that have taken that
exact path that you have.

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So if we have a member that's
into learning and development,

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like you got to follow Holly
like that, you know, surround

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yourself with people that have
done it and talk to people that

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have done it too.
But also, you know, there will

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be jobs that come along and
you'll read the description and

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you won't be qualified for them.
And that's fine.

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I mean, there's jobs that I'm
not qualified like and that's

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fine.
It's not a match, but just

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because it says like X years of
experience, Think of the term

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like experience more broadly.
It doesn't have to be exactly

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experience in that niche, but
you have that experience in your

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classroom and a lot of it is the
same when you look at

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transferable skills, especially
in the world of learning and

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development.
Like that's one where it's to me

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a no brainer.
Like you for sure have that

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experience.
I have teachers that get into

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like brand new career fields and
they may, they may not, so they

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have to go and upscale and do
different things.

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But if you want to get into
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trading, corporate America, I
mean that is all.

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Like you have that skill set
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Yes.
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translates into the next
question or good transition.

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Next question I want to ask is
like everybody realized like

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there's a piece of your Academy
that talks about like resume,

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cover letter, LinkedIn profile.
But one of the things I see

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people focus on far too heavily
is probably the resume aspect.

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And I always tell them it's not
just one thing you can do.

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And it's not like the olden days
back in the day where the resume

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was like the Mecca of like what
everybody knew about your

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experience.
It's so different nowadays.

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So how do you help people in the
Academy kind of get out of the

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mindset as like they are just
focusing on perfecting that

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resume or putting in specific
tailored resumes to different

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roles?
And then what comes along all

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with all of that, the cover
letters, the LinkedIn profile,

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the portfolio, all those
different things?

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Can you speak to that a little
bit?

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Yeah, people love a resume,
Holly, like that.

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Like I know.
I'm, I'm, I'm doing a keynote in

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the Teacher Career Transition
Summit and part of the keynote

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is like the areas that teachers
tend to get stuck when making a

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career transition and what?
Definitely a blocker is.

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Just wanting to do the resume
first.

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Like people think I need a new
job.

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The first thing I have to do is
update my resume.

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Everyone, No, that's not the
first step actually.

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But you know, work on your
mindset is step one.

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Step 2 is career clarity, and
then Step 3 is your marketing

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materials.
And I think you kind of hit the

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nail on the head there, where
for me, the resume is essential

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because you need one, but it is
literally just a piece of an

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entire puzzle.
And in today's job market, what

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I like to tell people is you
need a good enough resume.

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And yes, I do.
It does need to match the career

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that you're going for.
It does need to match a job

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description so that it's like,
this is an LND role, I'm going

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for that role.
And you wouldn't use an LND

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focused resume to apply for a
sales job like that would need

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to be different.
But when it comes down to like

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obsessing over every little
detail and changing it for every

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little bullet point, I say take
all of that time that you would

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do on that and put it into
networking.

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And you're going to get a much
higher return on your time

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investment because in today's
job market, it is a tough job

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market.
And there's market experts much

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smarter than me that all they do
is study the job market.

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And so this is coming from them.
It's a tough job market.

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And submitting your resume alone
is not enough right now.

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So take that extra time and put
it into setting up informational

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interviews, joining LinkedIn
groups, talking to people.

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You're going to move the needle
much faster.

456
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Yeah, I love that because I you
know, it's literally not just

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one thing.
It you can't just focus on that

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or even obsess over the
portfolio that because that's

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changing too.
The resume, I tell people is

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such a static document.
It doesn't show your

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personality.
It just is like what you put in

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there, what you've experienced
at your care, maybe some skill

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sets, some soft, some hard
skills or things you have, but

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it doesn't show you know who you
are.

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It's a way to kind of get in and
just get that initial interview,

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but it's not the whole package I
see.

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It's a piece of the puzzle.
So this is going by really fast

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00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,040
this episode, but I want to see
what you would say as an expert,

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00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,440
seeing as an expert in this
transition and doing all the

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things you're doing with Teacher
Career Transition Academy.

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What are like you've said a
couple throughout, but what are

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like the three pieces of advice?
If we're there's a listener

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00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,560
right now, they're sitting and
teaching.

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They're not happy.
They're looking to transition

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00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,560
out.
Besides joining Teacher Career

476
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,160
Transition Academy, which we
have everything in the show

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00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:19,520
notes about how to do that and
all Lisa's great events, what

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00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,880
would you tell them to do?
Like if you were sitting down

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00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,680
with them in the world, what are
the top three things?

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00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:29,720
Sure, I think, I think #1 is
believe in yourself because

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there's a lot of us out there
that believe in you and know

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00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,840
what amazing employees teachers
make.

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00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,880
And I can say some of my all
time best employees were former

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00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,680
teachers.
So believe in yourself.

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And two is the importance of
process.

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And I think that's that's kind
of at the heart or that is the

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heart and soul of the teacher
Career Transition Academy and

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00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,560
what we do with teachers.
And I think a lot of the

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00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,840
roadblocks are just kind of
getting off track, doing things

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00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,680
in the wrong order.
But there's a process to making

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a career transition.
And you don't need a coach, You

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00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,680
don't need the Academy.
Like I'd love to work with you

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00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,880
and help you through it, but
start at the top and work your

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way through.
So to simplify it, it's work on

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00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,000
your mindset, believe in
yourself.

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00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,440
Step 2 is finding career
clarity.

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00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,440
Step 3 is putting your marketing
materials together.

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00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,840
And Step 4 is learning how to
interview and negotiate.

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And we talk a lot about the
process and whether you just

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have those four steps or, or you
dive in, write down a checklist.

501
00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,600
Teachers do so well with
checklist and, and working

502
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,320
things through just having that
there as a guide so that when

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00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:44,560
you get off track, you can come
back and pick up because

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00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,360
momentum is also important.
It's like, you know, if you want

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00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:51,280
a diet or get healthier, it's so
easy to fall off the wagon and

506
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,000
then it's 10 times harder to get
back.

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00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,560
On every Monday, every Monday,
we're jumping on that wagon,

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00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,160
right?
We're just.

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00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,760
Career change is the same, so
think of it as a process and

510
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,080
even if you can do 15 minutes a
week working towards your goal,

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just to keep that momentum.
And then my last big piece of

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advice is networking.
Networking is so important from

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00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,520
the first second that you'd
think maybe I want a new job all

514
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,040
the way through to actually
getting the offer.

515
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:27,640
Networking needs to be something
that you're doing regularly and

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00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,000
consistently.
Yeah, I love those.

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00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,320
So believe in yourself first.
Deal with all the the trauma

518
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,680
coming out of teaching and
knowing your worth dealing with

519
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:37,760
the imposter syndrome
implementation.

520
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,080
The process is important, taking
the steps.

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00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,600
We all know this from in the
being in the career space and

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00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,960
then, you know, you said
checklists are important as

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00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,240
well.
And then was the networking.

524
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,120
Yeah, the networking piece and
being out on LinkedIn.

525
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,840
We're all can't stress that
enough.

526
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,000
Enough people are like LinkedIn.
Not nowadays.

527
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,040
Job applications mostly ask for
your LinkedIn profile.

528
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,720
Like I haven't seen, I've seen
more ask it than not at this

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00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,360
point in in looking and doing
some of the research.

530
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960
So Lisa, thank you so much for
coming on the show.

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00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,840
I want you to be able to tell
people about some of your events

532
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,640
through Teacher career
Transition Academy.

533
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,400
So where can they find you?
Where can they learn more about

534
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,640
your events?
Where should they go?

535
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,280
And of course, you include this
all in the show notes, and of

536
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,080
course it's gonna be attached to
your bio.

537
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,520
But where can we find you?
What are you up to?

538
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Sure.
Thanks, Holly.

539
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,800
Well, our website which you can
drop a link is just teach your

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00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,520
career transition academy.com.
From there, you can learn about

541
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:41,400
our formal coaching program, but
there is a place for an event

542
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,360
calendar.
And if you go over to the event

543
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,600
calendar, we're always offering
free coaching calls.

544
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,400
So you can jump on any free
coaching call that you want.

545
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,000
Lots of different topics from
LinkedIn, resumes, career

546
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,680
clarity, we cover all of it.
And then we also have a podcast

547
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:03,080
as well, which Holly, I got to
get you on an episode over there

548
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640
and just would love to connect
with with anyone.

549
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,840
And feel free to follow me on
LinkedIn and reach out if you

550
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,440
have any questions.
Yeah, thank you so much.

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00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,320
And I love the free events you
do and I love participating in

552
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,200
those and meeting your community
and some people who are new to

553
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,960
the community.
So it's really fantastic and I'm

554
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,920
honored to join those because
you do such a great job of of

555
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,720
hosting those.
So thank you so much again for

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00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,160
coming on the show.
And everybody check out the show

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00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,520
notes and where you can find
Lisa and the Teacher Career

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00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,280
Transition Academy, and we will
talk soon.

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00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,240
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