160: L&D Career Options Beyond Instructional Design

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Hi everyone, I'm Paula, a friend
and supporter of Holly and the

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Ed Up Learning and Development
podcast.

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I am here to welcome you back to
another fantastic episode of the

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show where we dive deep into the
real talk of careers in L&D,

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minus the fluff.
Today's episode is pulled

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straight from a live session
that originally aired on

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LinkedIn.
And let me tell you, this one

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hit home for so many of you
exploring your next move in

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learning and development.
If you've ever said I want to

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break into L&D but I don't know
where I fit, this is your

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episode.
In this session, Holly unpacks

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the seven underrated and often
overlooked roles in L&D that go

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way beyond just instructional
designer.

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We're talking learning
experience designer, L&D

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analyst, LMS administrator,
learning consultant, training

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coordinator, e-learning
developer, account manager.

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You'll learn what these roles
really involve, the tools and

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skills that matter most, and how
to reverse engineer your next

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career step based on what you
bring to the table.

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Plus, all attendees snagged a
free download of the L&D Career

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Map.
And good news, it's still

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available in the show notes if
you missed it.

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Whether you're transitioning
from education, nonprofit, or

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just feeling curious about the
roles available in L&D, this

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one's for you.
Let's get into it.

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Hi everyone, welcome to this
week's live.

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I'm so excited that you're here
with me again.

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I'm going to be doing these more
regularly.

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So today we're going to talk
about transitioning from

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teaching or any other spot in
the LND industry into a role in

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learning and development and the
LND career path.

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It's not just instructional
design.

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So I think one of the common
misconceptions, and I obviously

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talk about this a lot, is the
fact that instructional design

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is like a good stepping stone
for coming out of the classroom

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or coming out maybe of a
corporate job or or something

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like that.
Instructional design is really

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one where there are a lot of
transferable skills with

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instructional design.
So I really want to get into

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today what those roles are and
looking to make sure I went

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live.
Only thing.

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Yeah, I did.
So feel free to put your

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comments in the chat and I will
take a look at those throughout.

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I'm going to be sharing some
links as well.

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So if you want to give me a
thumbs up if you're here and say

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hi, hi everyone, kind of tell us
where you're watching in from.

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I'd love to see that in the
comments area.

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So let's let's get right into it
because we got a lot to go over

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today.
All right.

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So let me start by, I had this
all set up very nicely, as you

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know, talking a little bit about
the growth in the industry.

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So by the year 2029, the
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of L&D is expected to grow by
about 6% and then the training

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and development specialist area
part of L&D is expected to grow

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by a little bit, about 9%.
So it's going, it's growing.

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I know everybody feels like the
the market might be a little bit

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saturated right now with layoffs
and things happening and some

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teachers coming out of the
classroom to get into L&D.

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But I still see tons of job
postings for people looking for

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L&D type roles.
So I wanted to kind of calm

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those anxieties with letting you
know that the stats that are

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projected in the next three or
four years, it's going to grow

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roughly about 7 to 9%.
Our industry, we're going to be

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necessary.
And you know, everybody's

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worried about AI.
That's a conversation for

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another day, but we'll get to
that later.

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So just keep this in the back of
your mind as you're you're

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thinking about transitioning
over.

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So I talked about this more in
the the previous episode or the

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previous live I did last week.
One of the things I'll say is

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that that has now been dropped
as an episode on my podcast at

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up Learning and development.
So you can see that you can go

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out there, you can review it,
you can add comments and tell me

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you know what you're what you're
thinking about South.

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My own career journey is not
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I talked a lot last week about
how I started out as a high

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school teacher.
Then I left a classroom and went

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into learning and development.
I also started teaching in

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higher education as soon as I
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classroom, and I'm doing that
since 2012.

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And then I spent the majority of
my career, about a decade in

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higher education as an
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designer.
And that was, that was a lot of

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fun.
I learned a lot in higher

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education and I think that's one
of the reasons I have the role

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that I have now.
Then I transitioned over to

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Amazon Pharmacy as a corporate
instructional designer, was

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there for about two years.
And then most recently my

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current role is I'm a director
of growth marketing and I

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transitioned into Ed tech.
So now I've completed the loop,

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I think of a lot of these own
different LND rules and I am

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using tons of my skills as a
growth marketer from

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instructional design, from being
in corporate, from understanding

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higher education, you know, from
developing different e-mail

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campaigns and stuff.
And then, you know, whatever my

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next adventure will be, I'm just
very grateful for this path and

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that I'm able to share my
experiences with you and also

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give you some of the tips and
tricks that I wish I had along

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the way.
So I'm not going to get too much

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back into my path.
You can listen to that on the

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episode.
All right, we're not here to

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talk about teaching and
instructional design, but I do

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want to take a moment to go
through what like how are they

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similar?
How are they different?

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So with teaching, really you are
engaged with the same learners

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majority of the time.
You know, you're with them for a

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whole school year, the 380 days
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except when Covet happened, you
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some things are hybrid now I
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mostly inter, interacting in
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Whereas instructional design,
it's sync async, it's hybrid,

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it's high flex, it's virtual,
it's online, it's, you know,

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there's a variety of different
modalities that happen with

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those.
You're guiding the learners

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throughout the school year,
you're doing different lessons

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and units and the curriculum is
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You just have to design your
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curriculum.
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the K to 12 learners are the
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So that's pedagogy.
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through Andragoni.
When you get into instructional

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designs, there's a lot of adult
learners that you're dealing

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with and they like various
modalities, various things,

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multimodal stuff, as do the
younger students as well.

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But it's a little bit different
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people like in your teams.
K12 involves the administrators,

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whereas instructional design
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stakeholders, You know, you have
a supervisor, your team, or if

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your personal 1 is just you.
So really there's a little bit

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of different, there's difference
there in terms of the, the

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people that you're dealing with
in the personalities and the

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different agendas.
So in teaching you focus on

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grading, focus on lesson
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And then in instructional
design, you're really project

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managing.
You're planning different

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projects, you're developing them
using ADDIE from start to

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finish.
It's not linear all the time.

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And then as far as assessments
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design, it's not just a
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like a you need to change a
behavior.

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So you're doing some different
types of behavioral assessments

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along with evaluation of the
course, which is like the

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Kirkpatrick model.
So there are there's some

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commonalities across them, but
there are some different key

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differences as well.
So people that I've worked with

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in the past have asked me like,
if I'm a teacher, does that mean

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that I'm an instructional
designer?

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And I'm always like, no, not
yet, not yet.

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You have to be in the industry
and experience it live and in

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person in the real world to be
an instructional designer.

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But we're not here to talk about
that.

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All right?
So as much as I love ID, I love

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learning and development too.
And that's a vast field of

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different things.
So I decided to do this webinar

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with you to give you some
insights into different roles

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that kind of translate out of
education that you could do that

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are LND that are LND related.
But they're not, they're not

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instructional to sign.
There's different things you can

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do.
And I've done some of these

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roles.
So how to, you know, like I'm

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going to go over these 7 roles.
I have some examples that I'm

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going to provide of these these
different roles that you can,

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you can review in in the chat.
And I just want you to be aware

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of what exists out there so that
you don't think that there's

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only one place you can go.
If you step out of the

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classroom, there's more than one
place how to choose your lane.

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You know how you're gonna like
reverse engineer, have some

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exercises that you can do to
kind of figure out where you

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want to go based on your
passions, just strengths, what's

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happening in the market.
And then of course, I have

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resources for you.
I have tons of resources and

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I'll be sharing those throughout
the the presentation.

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But please, this is interactive.
I know I'm live on LinkedIn.

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I'm paying attention to the
LinkedIn feed.

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If you have a question, please,
please, please, please put it

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into the chat.
I'm happy to answer that.

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I just I want this to be very
interactive.

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I see it as of right now, we
have about 18 people.

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So please engage, put stuff in
the comments.

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I'll come and I'll answer those
questions live for you.

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All right.
So one of the things that's

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happening with learning and
development, especially in a

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post Kovat society is that we
companies understand that they

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need these people on their
teams.

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They need e-learning developers,
they need instructional

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designers, they need LMS
administrators.

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You know, and one of the things
that I think is happening with

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teaching is like so many other
regulations that teachers have

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to go through, the constant
adding of things that you need

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to do, the constant To Do List,
it kind of it's traumatizing.

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I'm not gonna lie.
When you transition out of

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teaching, you're going to have a
little bit of trauma that you're

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going to have to deal with,
maybe some PTSD.

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And I'm not, I'm not saying that
lately because of the things

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that you depending upon where
you work and what you've had to

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deal with.
So there are going to be some

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mental shifts and then that as
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But one of the things educators
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the table, I'm not just going to
this is focused on educators,

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but I want you to know if you're
working in a different area of

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L&D, this is for you too.
You are great at storytelling as

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an instructor, you have empathy.
You know how to facilitate

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things.
You know how to build

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assessments, you know how to
make things engaging.

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Lots of corporations and
organizations may not have that.

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You know, they're really focused
on like the business goals,

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what's happening with the
revenue, what's happening in the

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marketing space, or what's
happening as far as like sales

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and stuff like that.
But teachers have this ability

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to come in, simplify things,
tell the story, you know, make

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it make it feeling like it's
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down the line, It's here.
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People can hear me, right?

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Let me invite.
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to that when I do these lives.
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Thanks, Ross.
It's working for you.

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OK, great.
I thank you so much.

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I see all the OK.
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So you're going to get you're
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So for the first one I want to
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some companies see this as some
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an LXD roll.
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great area for teachers to be
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students have what they need in
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can directly translate that to a
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LXD is, is another great shift
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companies and you'll see
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these look in LXD.
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this, I'm going to the bottom
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mapping, like what is the
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to be?
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experience that they're
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management stuff, all that stuff
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instructional design, the, the
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priorities of the role do vary
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may be in the government, but
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higher education.
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space, not necessarily an LXD.
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have a little disclaimer on this
for tools and metrics and things

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to understand, especially when
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and knowing articulate, you
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things inside and out is going
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While that's beneficial as
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process to have proficiency in
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necessarily just going to be the
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is my motto, always comes
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the experience that you bring to
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Like any good company is going
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and help you to upskill, you
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that you use, because all
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technologies.
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even list all the tools here.
There's a lot more that are, are

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development.
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There's, you know, there's a
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There's, I could sit here for
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tools.
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concerned, this is where the
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teachers is understanding like
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goals and understanding like
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is what people are doing inside
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engaging, maybe where they're
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From those areas so that you can
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experience.
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like instructional design.
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LXD has more of the human
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designers, we have that too.
It's just more like we're

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focused on development and, and
really designing something and

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we may work with an LXD to
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experience is good.
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All right, let's go to the next
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And this is one that again is
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instructional design.
I'm going to plug Tim Slade here

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And if you don't know Tim Slade,
you really need to go out to

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LinkedIn and follow him and
watch all his videos.

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He talks a lot about e-learning
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design, all the different tools
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industry.
So 100% go out there and follow

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Tim Slade.
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concerned, where the e-learning
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come in is really in your
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Like you understand Ed tech.
I probably could ask people in

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the chat or if you want to put a
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you want to use, if you've used
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tech tool in the classroom, put
a heart or a thumbs up and just

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let me know because your Ed tech
experience really shows that you

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can translate Ed tech and to put
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technology is really helping the
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you'd know you're using them,
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them because the students feel
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where you start.
I see a lot of hearts and

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things.
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If you want to in the chat, tell
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people can kind of, you know,
see what everybody's using.

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I'd love that too.
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at teching, you put it inside of
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of your lessons before this
translates over into interactive

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modules and simulations.
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putting in that the learner is
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I always relate.
You know, I always think about

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when I'm designing A module or
if I'm a designing a learning

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experience, I think about Disney
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I'm a Disney adult.
I'll met that right away.

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What is the experience like for
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If you think about if you've
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been on one of their rides or
you're waiting in line, they

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have all these interactive
experiences before you actually

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get to the big experience.
So you can think about that

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analogous to instructional
design where you have like all

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these things leading up and then
there's like the big thing

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that's happening at the end.
Is there an assessment?

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Is there some sort of like test
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Do you have to go through a
simulation of some sort to prove

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that you can complete your role?
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about mapping out your skills,
like the one to 1, you know,

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like I said, creating the
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troubleshooting the tech for
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teachers too, that completely
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You are strictly working in the
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You might have some influence
over design and some other

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phases and you might be working
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or an LXD, but you were like you
are a techie.

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You know the insurance and outs
of the tools like I spring that

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you were you were authoring, you
were authoring things, you know,

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to say e-learning development
isn't you know, what authoring

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tool do you use?
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spring you also have a little
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That's the thing about LND
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There isn't a, there isn't a
strict like this is where it

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starts and this is where it
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Because I've seen e-learning
developers who were also

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instructional designers and I
see job postings that say

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e-learning developer and
instructional designer and they

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put those two roles kind of
together because they're

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thinking about in a similar
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So just know there's no start.
There's no really end.

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And you're not just when they
list your job description, it's

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going to be something in the
long the lines of like other

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duties as assigned, you might
get into more of the

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instructional design aspect of
of of e-learning development

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then you, you previously
anticipated.

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So let me go back.
I'm going to take a quick peek

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at the live and see what's going
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Everybody can hear me.
That's great interactive circle

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time, you know, like that is
great for learners.

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Like how can you turn that into
an interactive multimodal

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experience online?
Tara, That's that's awesome.

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Smart board.
Dreambox Seesaw Lexia.

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Yep, all of these different
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So these also too, what's
interesting is in my mind's

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going everywhere right now
because I love talking about

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this stuff.
So I'll, I'll calm down a little

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bit.
But I've brought a lot of the Ed

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tech tools that I used in the
classroom into like the

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corporate realm.
Like I see corporate using like

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cahoots and stuff.
You know, I've always like

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leaned on some of those tools
and I brought them into the

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corporate space.
Oh, it looks like my video

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froze.
Oh, let me fix that.

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Hmm.
Well, you can still hear me.

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Oh, there I am.
Just a little pause.

456
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,480
So I've might use my experience
with the Ed tech tools and

457
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,280
brought that into like as
suggestions for the corporate.

458
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,480
Like if you want people to have
fun and you want them to be

459
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,600
engaged, you need to make sure
that you're using different

460
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,040
technologies that that do that.
So maybe as an e-learning

461
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,920
developer, you can and you're
coming out of the classroom, you

462
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,960
can recommend some of those
tools and maybe work with the

463
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,080
team.
So I'm back, I just saw on

464
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,400
LinkedIn, I came back.
So again, another great role to

465
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,760
transition out of for, for a
teacher going thinking about

466
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:33,920
jumping into the LND industry.
All right, next one LMS

467
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,480
administrator.
So as an instructional

468
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,080
technologist, I one second I got
to put in.

469
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,360
So I have a example of an
e-learning developer role.

470
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,680
And of course, I'm going to
share all these notes when I

471
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,080
release the episode.
So I'm going to put that in the

472
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,480
chat so that you can see an
example of an e-learning

473
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,200
development role.
I definitely need a moderator

474
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,080
for these sessions.
So there's an example of an

475
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,400
e-learning developer role.
Now let's talk about LMS

476
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,720
administrator.
So an LMS, if you're not

477
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,600
familiar, is a learning
management system.

478
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,920
So think of in education, think
of Canvas, think of Blackboard,

479
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,840
think of bright space, the
noodles of the world.

480
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,680
In corporate, think of things
like Cornerstone, talent, LMS,

481
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,760
Decibo.
Those are learning management

482
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,560
systems.
Those are used to house, you

483
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,440
know, courses and content.
And that's the experience that

484
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,760
the learner logs into to go into
the course and to complete any

485
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,240
sort of required training.
So I've been an LMS

486
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,360
administrator, but I've also
been an instructional

487
00:27:38,360 --> 00:27:40,600
technologist.
So sometimes this role sits by

488
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,560
itself, depending on where
you're at and corporate and

489
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:48,320
education.
Do you have various expectations

490
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,600
when it comes to what an LMS
administrator does?

491
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:56,440
Oh, and you know, as far as
teachers are concerned, if you

492
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,440
know grade books and like you've
pulled reports and your grade

493
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,200
books for your students, you're
going to need to pull reporting

494
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,680
for people.
It might be a little bit more

495
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,440
challenging and different types
of reports than you would pull,

496
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,000
say in the classroom if you're
using a certain type of grade

497
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,920
book, but that reporting is
essential.

498
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,680
I forgot to mention Google
Classroom because I know a lot

499
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,560
of K to 12 institutions use that
as well.

500
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,840
It's just not one that I I
typically encounter when I am in

501
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,080
my travels from higher education
and a corporate in the Ed tech.

502
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,680
So just making sure that you
know that the reports and things

503
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,000
and data that you're pulling out
of your grade book that can

504
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,520
translate in this reporting and
things you're doing in the LMS.

505
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,000
So and admin really means you're
the person like controlling the

506
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,640
back end of things.
You're not necessarily at the

507
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:48,440
front, but you're controlling
the back end also to providing

508
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,200
any support for students or end
user support.

509
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,720
As an LMS administrator, you're
going to be seen as the expert.

510
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,000
You're going to be seen as the
person who knows how to do these

511
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,080
things.
And nowadays it's really easy to

512
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,920
kind of get become an expert in
those things because all of the

513
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,080
different LMS is offer like help
sites or knowledge bases to get

514
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,920
you started.
And then you can work with your

515
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,560
your Rep from the company.
They will walk you through and

516
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,720
offer different types of
trainings, but you want to be

517
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,880
sure that you are able to answer
the most common questions.

518
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,360
And teachers do this stuff all
the time.

519
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,040
So making sure that you are the
technical expert, like I said,

520
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,640
the one to one road map, you do
the grade book stuff, setting up

521
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,200
your course and then providing
that Technical Support and the

522
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,160
key tools here, like I said,
there's Moodle, Cornerstone work

523
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:38,280
day, knowing about SCORM, that's
mostly for corporate user

524
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,600
adoption, up time, data and
analytics.

525
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,880
And different institutions and
organizations see these

526
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,480
differently.
So an LMS administrator, you are

527
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,000
just focused on the LMS and all
the different things that your

528
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,600
organization or institution
might need to see as first data.

529
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:58,160
For example, how many, how much
up time do we have?

530
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Is it 100%?
Is it 99?

531
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,800
When do things go down?
How do we manage that or

532
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,320
mitigate that?
How many students are currently

533
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,880
users in the system?
What are their various roles?

534
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,000
How are they interacting with
the different courses and maybe

535
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:15,960
some of the tools?
So I really think that you as an

536
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,240
instructor can definitely take
on this role.

537
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,720
And I am now going to put a link
in the chat to an example of an

538
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,880
LMS administrator role.
Again, these vary widely

539
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,800
depending upon what institution
or organization you are going

540
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,400
to.
Let me just make sure this the

541
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,680
OK.
So this is not like set in

542
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,040
stone.
These jobs are all really

543
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,320
flexible as far as how far they
overlap with other things like

544
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920
instructional design or
e-learning development.

545
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,600
You know, one of the things that
we did an institution I worked

546
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,360
out we had a primary LMS
administration administrator,

547
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,560
then I was a secondary.
So I knew everything that the

548
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,040
other person was.
So sometimes again, you'll see

549
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,720
this role combined with other
roles.

550
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,640
Oh, so when you said in the chat
she used Google Classroom during

551
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,120
Cova, but after that they
transitioned to canvas, where I

552
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,960
teach, we currently use canvas.
I know, I know canvas, bright

553
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,480
space, D2L, Blackboard, like
they've all been around for, for

554
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,720
quite a while.
So I'm glad to hear that people

555
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,960
are using different things as
they're, as they're in the

556
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,880
classroom.
I, I really feel this is

557
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,920
beneficial to you when you're
wanting to translate into or

558
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:30,280
transition into a role into LND.
All right, got a couple more

559
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,680
roles to go through.
Let's keep going and feel free.

560
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,840
Like I said, if you have
questions, put them in the chat.

561
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,080
If you have any statement,
whatever, put in the chat, I'm

562
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:44,200
checking it.
And I love that we are talking

563
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,280
about different things.
And this is also a networking

564
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,480
opportunity.
So talk to people in the chat or

565
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,480
connect with them on LinkedIn.
All right, next role LND

566
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,120
analysts.
So it sounds exactly what it is.

567
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,760
It's an analyst role that deals
with data.

568
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,600
And I think that as instructors
and educators in the classroom,

569
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,640
we unintentionally deal with
data.

570
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,040
You know, maybe if there's like
county or state scores things

571
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,680
that come back from them or like
as a school how you overall did.

572
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:18,360
We don't necessarily pull the
data, but we analyze the data

573
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,920
that we are getting from our
from our schools and from our

574
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,520
administrators.
So one of the things that you do

575
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,360
as an educator, you're able to
take that data and what's

576
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,840
happening and and tailor your
teaching to that.

577
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,560
So that directly transfers into
a skill is where you are able to

578
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,960
look at the data and then
correlate it with a business

579
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,120
goal.
So if you have a KPI, say of

580
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,160
your spoke, your pipeline says
to be a certain amount, what's

581
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,840
the business goal there?
When how much is your company

582
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,680
looking to grow over the next
one, five years, whatever that

583
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,160
may be.
So you can take that skill and

584
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,120
you can translate that into an
LND analyst role.

585
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,640
So like I said, testing scores,
talking to parents, and I know

586
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,800
people set up their own data
like within, within Google stuff

587
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,040
and they, they track different
metrics, formative assessment.

588
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,800
So that that all translates into
this LD role.

589
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,480
So if you're somebody that likes
to, you know, look at those test

590
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,720
scores, look at different
charts, look at different graphs

591
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,440
or do pivot tables and you're
just a data nerd.

592
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,480
I would say this is this is a
great role for you because one

593
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,960
of the things that you're
responsible for is reporting

594
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,520
this information to let's say
this.

595
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,320
The higher ups, we're reporting
it to different LND teams,

596
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,720
explaining to them what might be
happening within the E learnings

597
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,680
that you're developing or the
instructional design team and

598
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,360
give them some insights into
what's happening with the users.

599
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,400
And most commonly used tools and
metrics here, the Power BI, the

600
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,120
Tableau, the Google data stuff,
dashboards, heat maps, you name

601
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,760
it, return on investment.
It's it's all a part of this

602
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:00,520
particular role.
So let me go ahead and share

603
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:04,840
that role in the chat so that
you can get a better

604
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,120
understanding.
So if you were data person, this

605
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,280
is a role for you.
If you're like teaching, like

606
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:10,960
teaching, I love looking at all
the data.

607
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,440
I love seeing all the stuff,
then this is 100% a role for

608
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:20,360
you.
All right, moving right along,

609
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,440
learning consultant.
And I would say that this even

610
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,239
has some freelance type feel to
it, depending upon how you're

611
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,920
doing it, because there are
people who exist in corporations

612
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,360
as a learning consultant,
they're consultant within the

613
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,040
organization, but there are
people that come from the

614
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,800
outside and we call those
freelancers or consultants that

615
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,080
come in and they make
recommendations based on what

616
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,480
they're seeing internally.
So basically you're coming in

617
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,880
and you're like, this is where
gaps exist and this is what the

618
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,800
solution should be.
One of the things I wrote here,

619
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,080
it's not always training.
If you read Kathy Moore's book

620
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,280
Map it training is not always
the answer.

621
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:10,400
It might be something that as
simple as a, as a job aid or you

622
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,240
know, something where there's a
one-on-one conversation

623
00:35:13,240 --> 00:35:15,760
happening between an end user
and a supervisor.

624
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:17,960
It really does depend.
So you come in as a lonely

625
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,760
consultant, you look at the top
level of things, you get down

626
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,840
into the details and then you
recommend like solutions that

627
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,840
are going to stimulate things
and going to make things better.

628
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,840
And one of the reasons this is a
great role for teachers is

629
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,280
because you have to really, you
get, you get, what is it?

630
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,960
Oh gosh, what's it called?
It's escaping me now.

631
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,000
You get, so the administrator
comes into your classroom and

632
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:46,040
they kind of review your lessons
and they give you feedback on

633
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,000
that.
So you really have to analyze

634
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,960
those conversations and then
align that again with tailing

635
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,280
your teaching.
And that transfers over into

636
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
business where like I said, I've
been mentioning KPI's.

637
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,560
What's your key performance
indicators?

638
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,560
I'm sorry, I forgot to say what
that was.

639
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:08,280
So you really have to understand
like how it's impacting what the

640
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:13,800
business is doing as far as the
learning consultant role goes.

641
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,480
And one of the things you'll
notice that in the key tools and

642
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,480
metrics here, Addy is a part of
that.

643
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,040
Addy is a huge part of that.
So you really, you really need

644
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,400
to understand Addy.
So as a consultant, you have to

645
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,600
have some of those skills and
knowledge of an instructional

646
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,600
designer.
HPT models, client interviews,

647
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,680
time to competency.
This is something I definitely

648
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,040
experienced inside the corporate
space.

649
00:36:39,720 --> 00:36:42,760
NPS scores, how are we doing,
how our customers think we're

650
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,040
doing?
How are things, how are we

651
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,720
performing?
Basically like what is their

652
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,560
opinion?
And then again, the teacher like

653
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,400
the the mapping, the one to one
skills needs analysis,

654
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,600
understanding your conversation,
what's going well for your

655
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,880
students, what's not talking to
administrators, what needs to

656
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,760
change like analyzing those
conversations and maybe some of

657
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,200
the data and then aligning it to
any curriculum.

658
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,560
And another thing too, I know a
lot of teachers who do

659
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,800
professional development things
outside of teaching, like not

660
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000
outside of maybe they do within
the school or they do at the

661
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,960
Board of Education, but you also
train other people.

662
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:25,280
So this is a great skill for a
learning consultant that you can

663
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:26,880
translate into and you can do
your own thing.

664
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,840
You can do some freelancing
stuff, make some, you know,

665
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,080
money on the side and, and
really help companies and

666
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:38,920
organizations or your own school
translate that.

667
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,560
So here's an example of a
learning consultant role.

668
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:44,880
So this can be a variety of
different things.

669
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,680
You really have to be
well-rounded instructional

670
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,160
design LXD you learning, you
have to have the knowledge of

671
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,120
these things to perform well in
this role.

672
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,480
All right, next one training
coordinator and program manager.

673
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,880
I am seeing this more and more
and more out on the on L LND

674
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,040
sites or organizations that are
looking to hire people in LND.

675
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,520
So if you're, if you're a
coordinator or your program

676
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,440
manager, you're basically you're
taking like there's, there could

677
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,080
be multiple.
For example, when I worked our

678
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,680
pharmacy, we had multiple
different programs running at

679
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,280
one time, like for customer
success for our pharmacist, you

680
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,240
know the pharmacist and we had a
whole bunch of different

681
00:38:29,240 --> 00:38:34,560
programs and you are responsible
for them to keep running and

682
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,120
want a budget.
So that's where the little bit

683
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,480
of the difference come in.
You have to understand like what

684
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:45,040
the budget is for it.
Of course, that involves time to

685
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,760
competency for your saving time.
That usually saves money.

686
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,480
So this is a role where you do
have to focus on, you know,

687
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,400
every role you have to focus on
the money, but this one

688
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,280
specifically has that as a part
of it.

689
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,320
So why it's great for you as a
teacher.

690
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,160
If you look at the one to one
road map, you know, you schedule

691
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:09,280
field trips and then you
schedule, you know, you schedule

692
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,880
like everything as far as parent
conferences and things are

693
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,760
going.
The cohort scheduling that

694
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,000
involves like when is this
particular group is if it's new

695
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,960
hires, when are they going
through the training?

696
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,800
And what does that, what does
that time frame look like?

697
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,240
Of course, communication emails,
having again, those parent

698
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,400
teacher conferences as a
training and program manager

699
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,360
going to be constantly
communicating with your

700
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,240
stakeholders and telling them
where things at.

701
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:40,480
There might be a spreadsheet of
some sort or a Smartsheet of

702
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,720
some sort that you have to
manage, and you might be using

703
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:48,040
things like a sauna or cello to
manage your different projects.

704
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,200
And as far as like planning out
your own course for the year,

705
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,440
that's project management and
that's timelines.

706
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,000
So if you're somebody that
enjoys planning stuff out and

707
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,000
managing the project start to
finish and really being able to

708
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,840
quickly solve problems as you
meet them, maybe barriers and

709
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,320
stuff, you, this is a great role
for you.

710
00:40:09,720 --> 00:40:12,440
So again, I already mentioned
some of the tools that are used

711
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,080
here.
Attendance rate, who's actually

712
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,920
in completion rates, who's
actually completing the program

713
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,040
and if things are happening on
timers there delays, how do you

714
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,080
mitigate those things?
So again, this might be a role

715
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,320
where there is involved some
data definitely you're going to

716
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,280
have to talk to the LND analyst
about that.

717
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,400
So as you can see these various
roles they do have, they do have

718
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,480
some overlap or you will have
another person on your team that

719
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,400
has a similar role.
All right, so here's an example

720
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,200
of a training and program
coordinator role.

721
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,720
And again, for those listening
to the podcast episode, I'm

722
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,880
going to put all the links in
the in the show notes to these

723
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,520
so that you can go back and
review these so that you can get

724
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,640
a better understanding of what
these actually are.

725
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:10,080
The last one is a knowledge
manager or content curator.

726
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,160
And I'm also seeing some of this
kind of bleed over into a

727
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,120
community manager too.
So what I would say to you, this

728
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:23,520
is where you were kind of
managing the knowledge base or

729
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,600
where people are going to find
help information.

730
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,720
So you want, if you're somebody
who's good at sourcing

731
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,600
crowdsourcing resources, I'm
going to get content curator

732
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,360
role.
If you're somebody who's good

733
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:44,800
at, like I said, crowdsourcing
resources, this is a, this is a

734
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,920
great job for you.
This is something that

735
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,680
instructors do very well.
When you need to plus and plan,

736
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,760
you need to find the resources
and the documentation or the

737
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,720
links or whatever as far as what
you, your learners need to do or

738
00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:02,840
need to have access to in order
to succeed.

739
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,040
But they also need to be able to
understand what they have to do.

740
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,000
So if they're engaging in some
sort of Ed tech, what does that

741
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,880
technical stuff look like?
So again, this is a great job or

742
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,920
a role for XTX teachers because
you do a lot of that curation

743
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,480
already, you know, are you using
like a certain Ed tech that

744
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,000
maybe does it for you?
I did a project with my, when I

745
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,680
was teaching with my 9th graders
and they had to do a full blown

746
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,920
research paper.
So one of the things I had to do

747
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,880
is, and like this mentions here
is I had to work with the

748
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,680
library to curate resources to
get them to understand how to

749
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,480
cite sources.
And you know, of course, being

750
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,760
able to design something like a
knowledge base that makes sense,

751
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,280
that's searchable.
So some of the different tools

752
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:56,160
here, you'll see Confluence,
you'll see what other ones, it's

753
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,080
a SharePoint.
There's, there's a whole bunch

754
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:02,720
of different ones that can can
house your knowledge base and

755
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,160
you want to be able to see how
people find your resources.

756
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,000
If there's a rain, I don't know
if you've ever clicked on

757
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,560
anything like Microsoft or some
of the other Ed tech tools that

758
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:15,880
you use and gives you give it a
rating, a thumbs up or thumbs

759
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,000
down or common.
If this was useful, is it

760
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,280
something that people are
clicking on?

761
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,280
So that doesn't mean that might
be a common problem and you

762
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:28,120
might have to report that to
your product team and then

763
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,800
article freshness rate.
So getting things up to date

764
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,360
like like ASAP, like if there's
a product change or there's a,

765
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:40,000
there's a change in workflow for
a certain business, like maybe

766
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,360
the customer care agents have to
do something different within

767
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,280
their workflows, then you need
to make sure that that article

768
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,920
is up to date.
This is probably one of the most

769
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:53,720
challenging parts of this role.
Let me go ahead and share the

770
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:03,000
here's an example of A and
there's more out there, content

771
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,920
curator.
This one specifically has to do

772
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,400
with live a library.
I know a lot we think of when we

773
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
think of curators, we think of
like museums and libraries and

774
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,920
resources, primary sources, all
the different things.

775
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,680
So basically, you know, it's
important for you to understand

776
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,720
how to organize things here.
So teachers are great

777
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:22,600
organizers.
So this would be a great role

778
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,200
for somebody stepping out of
education.

779
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:31,040
Let me take a moment to pause
and check some of the live

780
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,520
stuff.
All right, awesome.

781
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:43,160
Let's keep going.
All right, so those are all the

782
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,560
roles.
Those are 7 different roles you

783
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,440
can have in your pocket for when
you're doing your LinkedIn

784
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,440
searching, your job searching.
And again, these are all

785
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,480
organizations and institutions,
all see them differently.

786
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,680
They might have different
titles, but they might have the

787
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,360
same characteristics of the
role.

788
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,880
So just make sure that you are
researching out there and

789
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,280
looking at the different roles.
That's one of the things I tell

790
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:09,080
people when they first are
thinking about transitioning to

791
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,480
role Ality.
Research what the roles are.

792
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,920
See what you like about the
role, what you don't like about

793
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,280
the role.
You know, what are things that

794
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,720
you think like, Oh, this will
directly like lesson planning to

795
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:23,480
project management directly is a
transferable skill for a program

796
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,840
manager.
So you have to think about all

797
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,960
those things before you actually
start doing the applying because

798
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:32,840
if you apply to everything, and
I always use this analogy, just

799
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,640
like the lottery, if you get
1000 tickets or you get 50

800
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,600
tickets, you still have the same
chances.

801
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,840
So I don't recommend applying to
millions of jobs to see if

802
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,480
something sticks because it's
not.

803
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,720
It's probably not.
There may be anomalies out

804
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:50,880
there, but it's probably not.
So one of the reverse engineer

805
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,160
paths activities I recommend is
a three circle Venn diagram.

806
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,320
And I honestly recommend
Googling this and going through

807
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,640
the process.
So basically what you're doing

808
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,480
here is you're reflecting about
like what your passions are, the

809
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,320
skills that you have, some of
the knowledge that you have, and

810
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,560
then looking at what the
industry needs and then relating

811
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:10,600
that.
Like, you know, the three

812
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,280
circles, like in the middle is
you and then all the different

813
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,800
things.
And then writing that down.

814
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,680
You can do this different ways.
You can just write down what

815
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,600
your passions are, what your
skills are, what your, your

816
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,600
expertise knowledge is in and
then go out and research like

817
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,640
what are the, what are people
looking for as an LXD?

818
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,000
What are people looking for as
far as any learning development

819
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,320
and kind of get an idea of what
those are.

820
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,240
So you can go on and search for
roles that apply to those

821
00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:37,240
things.
And that's going to do 2 things.

822
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:38,920
That's number one.
It's going to make you more

823
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,920
aware where some of your, where
your strengths are, maybe where

824
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,000
some of your gaps are, but #2
you're not going to be applying

825
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,400
the roles that you may not want.
You're not going to be applying

826
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,400
to things like I shouldn't apply
to that.

827
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,800
I've seen so many people come
out and they've applied your

828
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,480
role, they took it and they're
like they took the first thing

829
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,080
out and they didn't like it so
they had to transition again.

830
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,800
So please do some of the
research, please do some of the

831
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,200
self reflecting.
The next is an exercise that you

832
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,600
can do is you're taking your top
three teaching skills and then

833
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,600
you're matching them like doing
a little match activity to the

834
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,080
relevant L&D roles.
So how directly that expertise

835
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,920
that you have, the skills can
transfer over into whatever role

836
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,240
or whatever area you're looking
to get into.

837
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,240
So these two things are really
easy to do.

838
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,720
You can just sit down for 15
minutes and do one of the other

839
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,440
or both.
And that way it gives you more

840
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,440
of a path and a starting point
to what you're looking for.

841
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,880
Because most times everybody's
like, I want to be an

842
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:39,960
instructional designer.
And my, my response is, what

843
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,720
industry do you want to go into?
Because the instructional design

844
00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:44,240
is huge.
You learning development is

845
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,240
huge.
You want to be in corporate

846
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:47,200
education, government,
freelance.

847
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,840
Do you want to, you know,
develop your own business?

848
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,840
So just it, you really have to
know where you're going with

849
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,960
these types, these types of
situations.

850
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,280
And all right.
And I want to pause real quick

851
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:06,600
and tell you about some of the
things that are happening in the

852
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:10,520
next couple of weeks.
Like, I have some things going

853
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:15,560
on as far as I'm going to give
you the access to the guide, but

854
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,120
I also want to encourage you to
join this ICE Spring community

855
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,920
where I am.
I am posting some exclusive

856
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,400
content.
So I put that link in the chat.

857
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,880
And then I also too want to
encourage you as you're thinking

858
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,800
about your role, one of the
things you're going to start to

859
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,960
see is you probably need to
update your resume.

860
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:42,480
So I'm doing a free live resume
workshop where you can come, you

861
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,520
can join.
And we're just going to make

862
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,880
every, your resume.
So I encouraged you, if you

863
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,480
haven't already signed up for
that.

864
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,080
It's, it's completely free, no
strings attached.

865
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:54,760
There's going to be like stuff
given away and it's going to be

866
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,480
fun.
And I just want to, I just want

867
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,320
to help.
So please sign up for that as

868
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,200
well.
And I think it's, it's really

869
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:04,480
important for you to connect
with me on LinkedIn too, if you

870
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,760
haven't already.
I share tons of content out

871
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,880
there.
So if you haven't followed me on

872
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,080
LinkedIn or you haven't
connected with me, I still have

873
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,080
some connections.
I think LinkedIn limits to

874
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,320
30,000.
I have a few left that I can

875
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,320
connect with you.
So please, please, please, I'll

876
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,200
put my LinkedIn in the chat as
well.

877
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:23,640
Please connect with me on a
LinkedIn world.

878
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,760
Join that learning exchange.
And when this comes out as a

879
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,720
podcast episode, share with your
peers.

880
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,960
And I just have to shout out
ispring for sponsoring this for

881
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,320
me.
Otherwise I wouldn't be able to

882
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,600
do this live with you and help
you and share all the

883
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,400
information, the guides, the
knowledge, the things that I

884
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,120
know about so that you can learn
from my mistakes and my missteps

885
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,280
to find the role that fits you
also want to mention.

886
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:56,480
So now it's time for QA.
I'm going back to look into the

887
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,640
chat.
Also mention to you that you can

888
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,440
join.
So one of the communities that

889
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,920
or one of the places I
absolutely love is Chelsea Avert

890
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:11,440
site Ed Skip, where you can find
a variety again of these LND

891
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,440
type roles that I've mentioned.
And some of those links were

892
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,320
from her site.
And you can get 10% off of Ed

893
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,160
Skip and her subscriptions.
Super affordable.

894
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,520
I used them when I was
transitioning out from Amazon to

895
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,440
the role I currently have now.
If you use the code Holly, you

896
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,440
get 10% off.
So be sure to write down that

897
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,800
code.
Use that code.

898
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,160
It's going to be important for
you to save some money in this

899
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,480
these economic times that we're
having.

900
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:42,880
So definitely 100% go out to Ed
Skip, you know, use that code,

901
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Holly.
And now it's time for live QA.

902
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,120
So I'm going to go back to the
chat and I'm going to see what

903
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:53,640
people have been asking.
All right, So Danielle says I'm

904
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,840
a school librarian to transition
and this seems like a perfect

905
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:58,480
role for me.
I love the one I shared about

906
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:04,760
the librarian David has asked.
Any advice for someone looking

907
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,080
in transition LD with no
education injury?

908
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,880
I come from children's media
background, currently working as

909
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,760
a content moderator, curator but
enjoy entry liver while working

910
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,480
with curriculum lectures to
develop education content.

911
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:19,320
So I would say you would
probably look for a curriculum

912
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,040
designer role or like a
curriculum curator role that

913
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,320
might be good for you.
But also too, if I would

914
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,360
recommend taking a peek at the
e-learning development.

915
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:34,760
If you do like technology stuff,
that could be a role for you as

916
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,200
well.
And these positions again, are

917
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,040
called different things.
So that might be 1.

918
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,720
I would recommend looking at
e-learning development, but also

919
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:49,840
looking for what did I say, like
an Ed, like a content curator,

920
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,960
like you're already doing that.
So maybe look for that more in

921
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,720
the education space.
And it's also good to to look at

922
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:57,480
Ed tech companies because
they're always looking for

923
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:03,280
people to kind of make their
their education stuff like their

924
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,120
nod bases and stuff or their
experiences when they're

925
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,240
ombudding people sound better,
like not sound so much and full

926
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:13,640
of jargon and things like that.
So that might be a good idea for

927
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,040
you.
I have to think about that a

928
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,440
little bit more.
Yay.

929
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,560
You come to the webcar.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

930
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,280
I think I saw another question
in here.

931
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:30,800
Let's see, let me go back.
All right.

932
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:35,880
I mean, if you have that media
stuff to you learning

933
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:41,680
development or video production
or I have somebody who's on my

934
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,160
team because a social media
specialist, but they do like

935
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:47,960
they do do some video stuff.
So I mean, you could look at

936
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,960
those different roles and just
see what, what works best for

937
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,960
you and kind of do some of the
research out there.

938
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,560
Yeah, Ed Skip is amazing.
I love it too, Tara.

939
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,200
It is absolutely amazing.
Chelsea has just, she's outdone

940
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,960
herself with, with Ed Skip as
far as like just the rules and

941
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,840
the vast diverse amount of roles
she shares.

942
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:11,360
And they're all 60K or more and
most are remote.

943
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:18,600
So it's amazing.
All right, that's a great

944
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,920
question, Jessica.
So Jessica's asking in the chat,

945
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,360
do many or any of these roles
require additional

946
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,520
certification?
It depends.

947
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,640
In the corporate space, they
don't really see academic

948
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,000
credentials.
They do like to see those, but

949
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,960
they don't weigh heavily as much
as they want in the education or

950
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,000
an academic space.
So the certificate might be for

951
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,000
you to get some knowledge and
some skills that you may not

952
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,360
have if you're coming out of the
classroom to kind of get a

953
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,800
better understanding of that.
But one of the things that I say

954
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,840
is I wouldn't invest in
something that's paid for until

955
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,520
you've exhausted all their free
resources first.

956
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,640
So exhaust there's free
resources 1st.

957
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,720
And I'm going to put a link
again in the chat and this will

958
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:02,160
be in the show notes as well.
I'm not sure how many of you,

959
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,760
you've probably seen this and
I'll share this tab instead.

960
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,640
My curated resources, which I'm
going to go in and update soon.

961
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,280
I have a couple things to add,
which if you're stepping out

962
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,880
into instructional design or any
of these LND roles, this is a

963
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:20,960
great place for you to start and
think about where you're where

964
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,160
where you're gonna go.
Like where you gonna gonna go

965
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:27,720
join an Academy or you do need
to read some books.

966
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,520
What are the things that you
need to do?

967
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,200
And of course, my computer is
freezing because it doesn't want

968
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,240
me to share things.
All right, let me put that in

969
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:43,800
the chat says we can't access
your video, but my videos right

970
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,720
here.
All right, I should have should

971
00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:53,680
have had that link up.
All right, let's get that in the

972
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,440
chat as well.
And I have a shorter bit lately,

973
00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,840
but that's the longer 1.
So please, please go ahead and

974
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,920
you know, use that as part of
your when you're going and

975
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,760
looking for different roles, use
that, use those resources and

976
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,400
they're free and paid for things
in there.

977
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:18,240
So all right, I think we've come
to the end of the presentation

978
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,920
here and make sure this goes in
the chat.

979
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:37,160
All right, all right, I'm so
excited.

980
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,520
This was such a great session.
I even learned some stuff by

981
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,880
just talking through those
various roles.

982
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,520
Make sure that share, if not
everything's going to be in the

983
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:51,200
show notes And people often ask
me, and this is the final thing

984
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,640
that I'll say before I shut down
the live is like, do I help

985
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,000
people?
I do help people.

986
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,200
I have some like 30 minutes, 60
minute sessions that I do

987
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,960
outside of the work day that you
can sign up for that are paid

988
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,320
for opportunities.
You know, you can do a free

989
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,800
discovery call, but if you want
to, we can sit down and have a

990
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,280
conversation.
I am so happy to do that with

991
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:15,560
you to kind of get you on that
path to where you want to be and

992
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:18,760
give you advice.
Just my experience, what I've

993
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,880
seen out in the industry, you
know, transitioning into these

994
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:25,880
various roles.
So, you know, come join me and

995
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,320
I'd love to have a one-on-one
with you.

996
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,200
All right, thank you so much for
coming to the session.

997
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:38,080
I saw about 30 people join.
I had about 141 registered, but

998
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,880
I'm so glad there is an interest
in this sort of conversation.

999
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,240
I'm going to keep having these
conversations and sharing these

1000
00:56:43,240 --> 00:56:46,120
out as podcast episodes.
So make sure you follow my

1001
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,480
podcast.
Make sure you follow me and

1002
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,360
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the greatest.

1003
00:56:49,720 --> 00:56:52,880
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I'll see you next time.

1004
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,800
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